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What has made OSU successful has been an elite defense and I don't think Urban is trying to change any of that. OSU's offense was only ranked in the top-30 once in Tressel's tenure and that was during Troy Smith's senior year.
Yet to be seen if this approach will be successful, but your post is way off base.
Ask Jake Long how many wins an elite OL bought him in The Game. Defense always trumps offense.
But the OL woes at OSU are getting quite concerning to be sure.
Well the fact that Lloyd Carr's offense consisted of, run up the middle, run to the left, run to the right, and a few passes here and there, I'm surprised more teams couldn't stop the offense. Defense does not always trump offense, and it's not like Michigan's defense is bad, held your running game down pretty well last year.
I never made any comment about UM's defense. Of course, a great defense doesn't ALWAYS trump a great offense - there are exceptions to every rule. But this has been a long-standing "rule of thumb" in football. Look at what happens any time Oregon faces a real defense. Heck, look closer to home ... look at what happened every time RichRod's offense ran in to a good defense.
I just think it is silly to think that a great DL will automatically be nullified by a great OL. Now, UM DL vs OSU's OL is a different story. You get the best of both worlds in that match-up. It's no wonder Urban will keep recruiting mobile QB's. It's becoming a survival technique.
Ask Jim Tressel how an elite OL would have helped him in the BCS championship games when you guys got run over.
How many times do you have to learn that lesson?
I see you still avoided answering where all these player maker recruits are coming from... convenient.
And it never occurred to you that a grind it out ball control offense has a direct effect on defensive success? The fewer times your opponent possesses the football the less they can score. You obviously don't know Tressel ball 101.
Not to mention practicing day in and day out against smash mouth football helps to toughen up a defense. Another of Tressel's mantra's
Since according to you Ohio tradition only started with Tressel and defense. Griffin and George might disagree, but I digress.
I mean those Tressel years must of been real tough on you nuts. My condolences.
But clearly I am off base, so what do I know... maybe I should take back the intelligent poster remark, no?
It's just silly to think our great DL will be stopped by a crap OL.
I agree. I admitted that by saying you get the best of both worlds and our QB will be scrambling.
All excellent points. I definitely understand Tressel-ball and what impact it can have on a defense. And I definitely know what OSU's history was built on. Again, I am not saying I know Urban's approach is going to be successful, but it sure worked at Florida and I'm willing to give it a shot at OSU. If he can maintain the great defense at OSU and bring in a little bit better offense (if you read any of his press, he still plans to incorporate I-formation elements; whether you believe it or not is a different story) I think it could be a good marriage. All yet to be seen though.
Sorry, about not responding earlier about playmakers - I honestly thought you were joking. Marshall is a 5-star - something UM doesn't have, even with their great OL haul. Baugh is getting rave reviews and is a high 4-star - I guess depending on which site he is equal, better or slightly behind Butt, but if you guys are counting him as elite, then I can certainly count Baugh. And they have the top dual threat QB commit in the nation. Not to mention, are still in on a few elites like Quick (top 3) and Foster (top 3) at WR and Green at RB (top 2).
But I thought zone blocking doesn't require elite talent? You did say that, right? But now you are conceding the point based on recruiting rankings of highschool juniors? So you are one of those guys...
btw your QB won't be scrambling, he will be running designed run plays.
With Tressel's offense it would have helped immensely (and thanks for the reminder). An elite OL will absolutely benefit UM and their plans to move back to a Pro-style attack.
Fair enough. 2 MNC speak for themselves. I never claimed Urb couldn't coach. Although Fickle I'm not so sure about. Urb won't have any effect on your D, Fickle will.
If you get to count Baugh then I get to count all of our 4* skill position offensive players. So I'll give you Marshall.
No doubt Ohio will score points with Urb being the defacto O-coordinator, but I just feel in my gut that Dantonio was the obvious hire.
Time will tell. I can barely remember the last time UM won in cbus, so talk is cheap at this point.
Marshall isn't very consistent when he plays and it doesn't matter how many playmakers you have if you don't have time to get them the ball.
I did say that zone blocking doesn't REQUIRE elite talent (that is the whole basis) ... but it would certainly help. I'm not here to fight with you; just enjoy a good football discussion.
Yeah. My bad. Didn't mean to come off like a prick.
I think we only count Marshall because he's a 5* and history has proven high ranking highschool players have a higher percentage of becoming elite. It's not to say they will. For all we know the southward kid could end up being the next Tedd Ginn. The numbers just indicate its not nearly as likely. Everything is just projection and quess work until they actually get on campus.
Between their O-Line and ours there is no comparison.
Michigan: Kalis, Magnuson, Kugler, LTT, Fox, Bosch, Dawson, Braden
Ohio: Lisle, Decker, Dodson
I do find it interesting that each school gets a bunch of 4/5 star recruits at a certain position where the other has trouble.
Michigan: O-Line, Linebacker
Ohio: Defensive line
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
I wouldn't trade Pipkins for any two of their Dlinemen, but I'm obviously biased.
I think Washington and Bosa are going to be players, but I don't trust any 5* Dlinemen out of PA. Those guys consistently bust.
So absolutely no clue on how accurate this is, but there is a post on Bucknuts that Dorian Johnson committed to WVU. I can't see anything anywhere to confirm this though, so I have a feeling it is someone trolling their fanbase with the Pocic news today.
"Isn't it amazing what somebody will do when he can't bunt." - Vin Scully
I would be SO happy if that's true.
I doubt that, they weren't getting Johnson anyways, from the looks of it, it's supposed to be Pitt or PSU.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
I dont really think ohio has/had much of a chance with Dorian Johnson. Id say between Pitt, PSU, WVU, and ND.
Doubt it, as far as I know he is between Pitt and PSU. Would like to see him go to PSU though.
toledo held our running game down pretty well last year lol. our offense was the worst i had EVER seen. i am for one starting to think this thread may be correct , but that point isnt very strong
what about the passing yards. besides yards don't win games points do and we had one of the worst offenses in the country last year and still put up 34 on you,
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