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Agreed, and this 4 team playoff is gives me hope we will get to that some day.
Wed have a much better chance IMO. The SEC knows it too. Wed fill those up and our lads have braved that stuff for years. Those summer weather schools would be worrying about staying warm while we were taking 4 yards a pop and watching their offense slow down on frozen tundra.
Our AD is like everyone else. He is entitled to his opinion about whether he prefers a playoff to the traditional bowl system or not. And just because he publicly states a preference for the bowl system, it does not follow that such preference derives from a belief that UM cannot play with the big boys. And for a poster who is notorious for trolling UM fans on tBB (and who was finally banned for doing so) to come to the UM board and suggest otherwise is trolling.
FWIW, you are not even right mathematically, as Nigel has pointed out. The reduced odds that any team has in winning a 4-team playoff compared to a single game for all the marbles is exactly offset by the increased probability of making it into a 4-team versus a 2-team field. You need to dust off your old probability textbook and brush up.
This has nothing to do with which conference is best.
Exactly. And the neutral fans would be pulling for the B1G instead of the southern teams. Listen to the stadiums in SEC country when B1G teams play them. Huge home field crowd/noise advantage.
It would be much much harder to try a find a year where the BCS actually worked for once.
Go Blue and Go Titans!
We disagree. It's my belief that the AD at Michigan is doing his job. No dig is meant by this. Until we have a more perfect system, every AD should fight for what's going to benefit their school more. On a side note, I do believe the SEC is the strongest conference. That's not a shot at MSU or Wisconsin or OSU or PSU or UM or Nebraska. All of those schools have decent competitive squads more than capable of beating the sec on any given day as of now. I just think the sec is a pretty damn good conference top to bottom right now.
I'm also in the line that says Michigan can beat bama next fall if your defense can win the day and Borgess finds a way to shorten the game. Like I say, a punchers chance.
But, why does Brandon prefer the traditional bowl system? He previously said (of a playoff system) "it's not going to be fair". Is that just a poor choice of words? Why would it not be fair?
Are you in favor of the 4 team playoff? Or do you support the position of your AD?
Again, it's my belief he's trying to do what's best for his school. We obviously disagree. You can continue your stuff about trolling or unreadable posts, it just doesn't matter to me. I think he's doing what's best for Michigan. If you find that upsetting, I apologize.
True he did very well choosing a coach who put together a tremendous staff. The need to debate on taking the band to a prime time nationally exposed game against the defending national champions not a good idea. I believe this episode played out for the sugar bowl as well? Our fight song is a significant part of our brand, would you agree? His former career touched on some of these same decisions as CEO of Domino's.
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I think it's brilliant on your AD's part as far as the band goes. Two truths here: 1. The band will be there 2. He'll get donations to cover it now. The 400 k he saves is an Olympic sport cost for the year I bet. the band will be playing the fight song in Dallas.
That's all your going to say? Bring something to the debate. Show me one year the BCS champion was not the best team in the country. That was the goal of the BCS when it was formed and I am hard pressed to find where that didn't happen. So it has worked. The other BCS games are just fluff and hardly matter. They have proved time and time again it is more about money than fairness. So again I ask that you show me how it hasn't worked.
Who are "we"? And I have no interest in your fabricated beliefs as to the ulterior motives of our AD in not favoring a playoff. He has repeatedly spoken on the subject and given his reasoning and not once has he said it is because a playoff will hurt UM's chances of winning a national championship. The reality is many people do not favor a playoff and the vast majority are not ADs. And there are numerous pros and cons to both the traditional bowl system and to a playoff that have absolutely nothing to do with the odds of winning a national championship.
In fact, if you go to Bama Online, you will find several threads debating the same issue and, surprise, some Bama fans are not in favor of a playoff either. Are they afraid of a playoff, too? Why aren't you over on their board explaining to them that they do not favor a playoff because they are afraid of the B10? I would love to lurk and see how well you are received. Similarly, if I went to rcmb right now and started a thread asking if the reason that Mark Hollis favors a playoff is that it will improve MSU's chances of making a major bowl game, how long would I last?
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...says you. How can you really know how LSU or Alabama would have fared against a legitimate passing attack like OK St or Stanford (or USC, if eligible)? If the NFL didn't play the Super Bowl but instead picked a champion based on polled opinion on who "would have won," Tom Brady would be sitting on an extra couple of championship rings right now. Teams should have to earn championships on the field, and that means a playoff.
PS: A fair few people (including myself) thought Alabama would beat LSU last year, but no one but the most delusional homers thought Alabama would wafflecrush LSU the way they did. Predicting what will happen in football games, especially football games between two really skilled teams, is not that easy...if it were, we'd all be rich from sportsbetting.
I strongly believe that the band was always going to be going to that game, one way or another. I would be willing to bet a lot of donor money was brought in on this "stunt." A common quote is there is no such thing as bad press. I would have to agree with that.
2 loss LSU team. Playoffs would have been perfect that year.
The fairness comes into play in the same way it does now. How do you pick the 4 teams? Would you have chosen Standord over Oregon last year even though Oregon won the Pac last year? Do you only take conference champs which would of left out what turned out to be the best team in Bama? If so, which conference champs? Do the non BCS conference teams like Boise get a chance? All you are doing with a 4 team playoff is adding 2 more teams but you still have the same BS of humans choosing to put in teams they "think" are better than other teams who are just as deserving.
In my opinion you either go to a 16 team playoff or ditch the BCS all together and go back to the original Bowl system. With 16 teams in a playoff no really deserving team would be left out.
He has spoken on the bowl v. playoff issue numerous times. Google is your friend. And not once has he said a playoff per se is unfair. He has objected to certain aspects of certain specific playoff proposals as unfair, but you are putting words in his mouth.
Whatever year Auburn went undefeated and didn't get a chance at the title. That Auburn team was very good and i would of loved to see them get a chance that year.
OSU lost to a 6-6 Iowa State. They don't have a defense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who would win that game. Look no further than Vegas odds. OSU would have been a 10 pt underdog against LSU. Could have OSU won? Sure its possible, but it would have been an upset and I am challenge anyone to disagree. Stanford got beat up pretty badly by Oregon and LSU handled Oregon.
Now you do bring up the root issue that many people have. The thought of earning it. The BCS was built to have the best football team in the country be crowned the champion. I think it has succeeded in that. I don't think it has been a failure if you look at this way.
Now if you want a team to "earn it," then a playoff system is probably best. However, most teams earn it every week of the regular season in the current system. Like basketball, luck plays more of a role in a playoff system.
Also, as far as times when the best team has been left out of the BCS...how about the 03-04 USC Trojans that won the AP title? How about the undefeated 04-05 Auburn team that got shut out entirely? I'm not saying those teams were obviously the best, but they were obviously qualified and were denied the chance to prove themselves. That's the whole point.
Again, I am not interested in your beliefs about our AD's "true" motives on any subject. And I'm certaintly not interested in your condescendingly insincere apologies for trolling our board. What I am interested in is having you stop doing it. And if it bothers you that I am calling you out on it, I apologize.
Probably the best example you can present. +1 system would have been great for that year. Still think the best team won the MNC that year based on common opponents SOS and the like.
Then perhaps it's best we ignore each other. I don't know where Hollis is on this, but if he came out as the AD at Michigan did, I'd understand why. I'd also be upset with him if he said he takes that position because it gives MSU a better chance at a NC, but it really would, and I'm not here trying to fool myself. They need to be political as they do what's best for their school.
Im also very sure that the Michigan AD believes they could win a playoff. I don't mean to get you that angry. Likee, I think a playoff will favor southern schools.......... Again. He's doing what he sees as being best for Michigan. I don't see why that would upset anyone.
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