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What do you all think?
In-shape Pipkins and shouldn't be close. If I had a 2nd might be Funchess.
With Mich on the Pipkins call. I'll go with Bolden as the other. He's in the 2 deep and should be a great one for years to come.
With the lack of depth on the Oline, i'm gonna go with Kalis. I'm a big Jarrod Wilson fan, so I'll go with him on defense.
I think Strobel could step in and contribute right away. He brings a certain explosiveness off the edge that Michigan didn't have last year, IMO.
A lot of those D-Linemen are going to sniff the two-deep right away if they grasp the schemes quickly. A lot of talent coming in between Pipkins, Strobel, Wormley, and Godin. Wouldn't be surprised to see Norfleet see action as a KR/PR either. Also if A.J. Williams learns the playbook quickly he'll end up a viable size ready option at TE, the current options there are slim.
Safe call would be Pipkins...but I also think that Chesson or Darboh may surprise some, not going to break out but they could put in some solid contributions.
Pipkins is the safe bet here, but I think another of the DL will play as well. Most likely either Strobel or Wormley. On D, Bolden and Wilson should also see some serious PT. Offense, I think AJ Williams already has the body for TE and should step in right away. Kalis is also in the two deep, and Darboh/Chesson should get PT as well.
Pipkins, Funchess, and Wilson
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
Bolden, Norfleet, Kalis, 1 of either Darboh or Chesson.
A lot is being expected of Pipkins, and that's gonna be hard to step in there in the trenches against guys 4-5 years older than him. I think he'll contribute this year, but i'm not sure he's going to have that immediate impact that others do.
I'm going to go w/ Bolden on defense, I see him taking Morgan's spot at some point in the year.
On offense I think it's going to be hard for consistent playing time for most signees. So i'd go w/ Norfleet, I think he's going to contribute on special teams immediately and have a few big catches/runs throughout the year.
I'm going to go with Funchess and Strobel. I think Strobel will get opportunities to rotate in at multiple positions along the line, and the kid is an absolute beast. As for Funchess, with Ricardo Miller heading back to WR and the complete lack of depth at TE, I think Funchess will see significant playing time and could provide a receiving threat that we haven't had in recent years.
I think we desperately need help at TE so my guess would be AJ. Darboh should get ample opportunity to earn a spot in the WR 2-deep.
James Ross or AJ Williams.
I think Pipkins, Bolden, and one of the WRs are a safe bet. So i am going to go out on a limb and say Norfleet will get some opportunities in the return game, and if he makes a splash he will be able to find a niche on this team for at least a little while.
I also think some of the 2012 DL and LB will get some special teams work early in the season to see if any of them has what it takes to break the rotation. I look for RJS and Wormley to be the best out of those groups, besides the usual suspects of course.
This post was edited by EmergencyExit 23 months ago
Discussions like this is something I would like to see more of. To break it down further, what does everybody expect of each recruit this year?
Here is the list of recruits from 2012, copy and paste as needed.
RB: Drake Johnson
RB: Dennis Norfleet
FB: Sione Houma
TE: AJ Williams
TE: Devin Funchess
WR: Amara Darboh
WR: Jehu Chesson
OL: Kyle Kalis
OL: Ben Braden
OL: Erik Magnunson
OL: Blake Bars
DL: Ondre Pipkins
DL: Chris Wormley
DL: Tom Strobel
DL: Matt Godin
DL: Willie Henry
DL: Mario Ojemudia
LB: Joe Bolden
LB: Kaleb Ringer
LB: James Ross
LB: Royce Jenkins-Stone
CB: Terry Richardson
S: Jarrod Wilson
S: Allen Gant
S: Jeremy Clark
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by xxmgobluexx 23 months ago
Drake Johnson - RS. He's got the size, but he needs to get stronger. My biggest criticism of him is that he goes down so easily. If he fixes that, he could see the field in a year or two.
Dennis Norfleet - probably redshirt, but he could impress the coaches in the return game and see the field there. We're very weak and need someone to step up. Probably sticks at returner for his career and sees some snaps as a third down back.
Sione Houma - RS to build size and then beat out Kerridge when Hopkins leaves.
AJ Williams - get into the two deep as soon as he steps on campus. Starts by the middle/end of the year when he gets more comfortable in the passing game. Three and a half year starter here.
Devin Funchess - Ideally he would redshirt because he's not big enough to be a Big Ten tight end, but our depth chart is so insanely bad that he'll probably be forced on the field. He won't be able to do much in the blocking game, but should be a great target for Denard from the H-back-ish position.
Amara Darboh - Like Funchess, he would ideally redshirt but will most likely be forced on the field due to our lack of WRs. I think he sees some PT but not much this year.
Jehu Chesson - Pretty much the same as Darboh, except I think Chesson will see the field more.
Kyle Kalis - in the two deep as soon as he walks on campus. I don't think he starts unless someone gets hurt. I don't see him beating out Omameh or Mealer/Burzynski/Bryant, but it's definitely possible. He'll be in the rotation for sure and see some serious PT. If someone gets hurt (could be RT or OG), I'm more than comfortable with him out there. Best guard prospect we've gotten since Hutchinson.
Ben Braden - he has the size to play, but not the technique IMO. He'll redshirt and build that up and could be a great LT or RT replacement for Lewan (assuming he stays) and Schofield in 2013 after a RS year in 2012.
Erik Magnuson - he has the technique, but not the strength to start right away. He'll redshirt as well and could take over for Lewan as a RS FR if Lewan declares. Regardless, he's our future LT.
Blake Bars - redshirt to build size and technique. Could be in the two deep the next couple years, but I really don't know where he fits. Probably OG, but he could play RT as well.
Ondre Pipkins - Love this kid. He's another that will be in the two deep as soon as he steps on campus. If BWC screws up even a little, Pipkins will be there to grab the starting spot. He'll see a lot of PT this year with Mattison's rotation of the DL and then start next year.
Chris Wormley - I could easily see him playing this year. I think either him or Strobel will play at SDE. I'm leaning towards Wormley at the moment because of his size. He's got great size, and if he can play with a low enough pad level, he could shift inside to DT and back up Jibreel Black. I think he's in the rotation this year.
Tom Strobel - Again, very possible that he plays, but I think he'll end up RSing. Could easily see the field already, but it'd be nice to have him RS and have 4 more years. Either way, I'm ok with it.
Matt Godin - There's definitely a possibility that he comes in and beasts up the weight room (he's been compared to MM in that certain area) and beats out Wormley and Strobel, but I think he ends up RSing and sliding inside to DT.
Willie Henry - RS. He has so much potential and could be a great player, but not yet. I'm really excited to see what he does with Hoke, Mattison, and Montgomery all working with him.
Mario Ojemudia - One of the guys I'm most excited for, but he'll need a RS year to build up size and muscle. He's way too small now to play WDE (I think he stays there, FTR). Plus, I would rather him RS because our top 2 WDEs are just SO, so it'll be nice to build some distance between them.
Joe Bolden - After a great spring, I think he's already in the two deep behind Demens. If Demens gets hurt, he could see a lot of PT, but honestly I would probably prefer it if he takes a RS. It won't happen, but I would love to be able to have him at MIKE for four years. That being said, I think he plays this year and then starts the next three years.
Kaleb Ringer - He had an impressive spring by all accounts as well and could have cemented himself a role, but IMO he'll see the field on ST and then be a part of the two deep next year.
James Ross - Another that I'm really excited for but he needs a year to get bigger. He can't fix his height so maybe he'll see the field as Morgan's backup, but I think Hawthorne won that spot with his performance in the spring game. Next year, however, I think Ross is at the very least the backup WILL. Easily could beat out Morgan
RJS - He needs a RS year to build up muscle, but could be a serviceable MIKE right now. I think he grows into a SAM or stays at MIKE and gets himself a starting job in a few years.
Terry Richardson - Excellent athlete and needs a year to bulk up, but I think we see him in a similar way that we saw Delonte Hallowell last year. Makes plays at ST and sees garbage time at CB.
Jarrod Wilson - I think he's Kovacs'(s?) backup right now. IMO he should be ahead of Furman. If Furman can play, then it'd be nice to RS him in the same sense as Bolden, so that we can have four years of Wilson at FS. But I think he sees significant time this year and grows into his own towards the end of the year.
Allen Gant - Needs a year to get into everything, but he could see some ST time. One of the things holding him back is the question of whether he's too big for S but too small for LB, so we'll see.
Jeremy Clark - Takes a RS year so that he can get stronger. He's got the size already and again, could see ST time, but I think he RSs. Unless he gets a look at WR, in which case I think he gets a lot of PT.
Here is what I expect
RB: Drake Johnson, I expect a RS with a small chance at seeing the field and an even smaller chance at moving to WR.
RB: Dennis Norfleet, I see Norfleet getting on the field returning kicks, 3rd down back, slot receiver. The kid has some serious wiggle and they will try and get the ball in his hand in space.
FB: Sione Houma, RS to bulk up.
TE: AJ Williams, I wish a RS to get into college shape, but I think he will be our main blocking TE.
TE: Devin Funchess, same as Williams, but will be the main receiving TE.
WR: Amara Darboh, I put Darboh and Chesson in the same boat. I hope one of the 2 stands out and the other one gets a chance at a RS.
WR: Jehuu Chesson, see Darboh
OL: Kyle Kalis, backup tackle and guard to begin the season, starting guard by the end of the season.
OL: Ben Braden, has the size but needs a RS to work on technique.
OL: Erik Magnunson, has better technique than Braden, but needs a RS to get the size needed for the college game.
OL: Blake Bars, RS to put on weight.
DL: Ondre Pipkins, will be in the 2 deep rotation at NT.
DL: Chris Wormley, lump these next 4 guys together, any one of these guys can get into the rotation at DT and SDE. Not sure which ones will play and which ones will RS. Do to recruit rankings, Wormley and Strobel seem like the likely choices to play with Godin and Henry RSing.
DL: Tom Strobel, see Wormley
DL: Matt Godin, see Wormley
DL: Willie Henry, see Wormley
DL: Mario Ojemudia, RS to get up to the size needed for WDE.
LB: Joe Bolden, in the 2 deep already. Will log heavy minutes to prep him for the following 3 years.
LB: Kaleb Ringer, has a leg up on Ross and RJS. Special teams and other playing time here and there.
LB: James Ross, RS or special teams play.
LB: Royce Jenkins-Stone, RS or special teams play.
CB: Terry Richardson, could RS, or see limited duty in dime packages and on special teams.
S: Jarrod Wilson, should get quality reps as the season goes on.
S: Allen Gant, RS with a chance to see the field on special teams.
S: Jeremy Clark, RS with a chance to see the field on special teams. A small chance that he moves to WR.
This post was edited by xxmgobluexx 23 months ago
Wow, very similar, good stuff!
Do you think Norfleet gets ahead of Smith as our third down back?
I agree with pretty much both of your guys predictions. My opinion on your question is no. Smith is really good at picking up blitzes and Hoke loves his toughness. I would be shocked if Norfleet beats out Smith as our 3rd down back.
Just to add on, something i have been thinking about a lot lately is how much opportunity there will be for the 2012 class to crack the 2 deep in 2013. I wouldn't be suprised to see 5 or 6 guys start and around 15 or so be in the 2 deep. That is pretty crazy.
I have noticed us with a similar opinion quite a bit when it comes to Michigan on tBB.
I don't expect Norfleet to pass Smith, but I see him getting reps there when the coaches feel comfortable with him.
same here. Great minds think alike!
And Maize&Blue, I agree. Just writing this up made me realize how much we're depending on these guys next year. At TE, WR, and DT, we REALLY need someone to step up and contribute
Not to mention replace Roh which you have to figure Strobel and Wormley would be the top guys for that. Then replace JT Floyd at Corner so Richardson should have a real shot there. I figure all 4 OL guys will be in the 2 deep next year and all 4 LB guys will have shots to make the 2 deep as well.
There is no one tougher than that little dude from Pahokee when it comes to taking on rushers.
The only way for Norfleet to pass Smith as our 3rd down back is to show the coaches he can block like Smith.
And let's be honest.. No one can block like Smith. Vincent Smith is easily one of my favorite Michigan players ever. So tough and overcame so much and always handles himself so well. Also, the organization that he made (Hope for Pahokee, IIRC) is very inspiring.
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