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I never said winning Rose Bowls, just coming off of them. Alabama did get classes in the top 5 for 5 straight years or so. i believe we can do that with a year or two around the top 10, and it will put us in great position for the NC.
We are college football
This may happen, but it does not guarantee that Michigan will suddenly be a contender for a bunch of 5 stars.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
I'm gonna be frank: you sound like a homer. And that's not a good thing.
I'll address your post point-by-point.
Yes, Michigan is a national recruiter. However, most of Michigan's recruiting classes are comprised of Midwest recruits. For instance, take a look at Michigan 2013 class. 17 of the 22 commits are from the Midwest. That's 77%. In other words, 3 out of every 4 recruits is from the Midwest.
And Michigan will not *consistently* outrecruit USC. I don't think you understand just how enormous USC's recruiting advantage is. Just look back at USC's recruiting classes under Pete Carroll. IIRC, Michigan never ranked ahead of USC when Carroll was HC.
But Michigan's goal should not be to outrecruit USC. It shouldn't even be to build top-5 classes. (All that is just pageantry for the messageboard fans.)
The coaches should be focused in identifying talented players that fit Michigan's scheme, building enduring relationships, and then getting them to believe in Michigan's values.
Just think back to the 2007 Rose Bowl between USC and Michigan. On paper, USC had "outrecruited" Michigan. And yet, the two teams were about even (despite what the final score said). In retrospect, Michigan had as much NFL talent as USC did that year. But USC made better adjustments and executed better. Hence, USC won comfortably in the 2nd half.
No. We won't.
Michigan won't "go anywhere, in any home, anytime and get the talent." For instance, notice that Montravius Adama (a 5 star DT from the South) verbally expressed interest in Michigan. However, the Michigan coaches didn't reciprocate the interest despite Adams being a prospect at a position of need. Why? Because our coaches will not waste time and money chasing longshots.
Yes, Michigan doesn't need a rich concentration of talent to succeed. But it certainly would've made Michigan's recruiting much easier if Michigan enjoyed a LSU-like recruiting advantage or a USC-like recruiting advantage.
- Michigan already owns the state of Michigan. (Duh!)
- And the Michigan coaches have moved quickly to make the Midwest its primary focus. This was a brilliant strategy because recruiting, at times, can be like a zero sum game.
But there will always be recruits that leave the Midwest for another conference. For instance, look at Ethan Pocic. He had a chance to be part of Michigan's program but because he waited, he was left out. Moreover, Pocic seemed more interested than Michigan's other OL targets in exploring what SEC schools had to offer.
In closing, Michigan is not God's gift to the college football world. There are schools out there that can offer a lot of the same things that Michigan can offer. For instance, USC.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Frank C 21 months ago
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While reaching BCS Bowls is nice, winning them is what truly creates buzz.
And I get your point about consistent top-5 finishes. That's what I was referring to when I typed "sustained success on the field will translate to sustained success on the recruiting trail."
This post was edited by Frank C 21 months ago
We'll appear to be recruiting better simply because we'll be recruiting more NFL-like players with more physical tools. Recruiting services tend to favor these bigger recruits because they tend to have higher athletic ceilings.
true that, just unfair
whats up dude?
sickness, can't wait till i'm goin to games in that BIG HOUSE!!!
We cannot compete with USC for recruiting because of their locational advantages, but we can recruit at Bama levels if we win more. They had classes at around 15th in the nation before Saban similar to what we experienced with RR.
This post was edited by Brady Hoke 21 months ago
Obviously my friend you love to argue!
My point has not and will not change.
As we win we will again recruit nationally as we own the mid-west.
That was my point from the beginning. Furthermore I am not a homer,
I am someone who has supported this program since 1963.
I have seen tremendous recruiting and the failed years of RR. I was
saddened the last few years of Carr's leadership seeing how our recruiting
diminished and Martin's sad leadership with the coaching transition.
What you do not understand is after coaching high school ball in south
Florida for 10 years I understand the money thrown about the SEC and
yes even USC. More is thrown around now than ever. Auburn leads the
SEC right now!
Yes I understand the advantages USC has. But we have advantages
and benefits they cannot compare. They will get their kids, period.
But when we get our kids and when we are winning and rocking, Bama,
USC and others will will be challenged again.
This post was edited by Maize N Blue 21 months ago
I think there is one more thing that will be necessary along with winning that will help level the playing field recruiting wise with Bama.
Other conferences need to step up and win National Championships.
If the SEC continues its steak of winning championship after championship, the national media will continue their slurp fest and keep the impression that the BEST of the BEST play in the SEC. It will make it harder and harder to get the elite kids out of SEC territory if they see the results of SEC winning all their life and the media keeps pounding it into their heads.
I have no doubt that we will do well regardless but until our conference or others start winning, I have a feeling at least 1 SEC team will always outrecruit us.
I am extremely happy with this class and the head start we have going with 2014 so I could be wrong about my post but I feel these kids are impressionable and the way it is going, the media will only continue to get more and more biased towards the SEC and against all the other conferences until they are dethroned.
I'll start by presenting an olive branch by saying that my following questions stem from genuine curiosity. You and many others have talked about money changing hands in the recruiting game. My question is, if it's so well known, why is it so hard to prove? Why aren't people actually taking some time to investigate? If they are, why aren't they finding anything?
As my wife's uncle has stated to me, here in the SEC we know know nothing about anything. Yet he also told me C Newton was paid and everyone in the SEC knows it and will not tell on the other. If no evidence in a non legal situation, unless the bag man says this happened, then there is no evidence. And this is exactly how my wife's uncle explained it to me.
I agree with you and I love this staff. They are incredible and they are re-establishing a renascence of Michigan Football and possibly stepping up to a new level! I too am excited!
Then if you are not a dude, then you are the opposite. No Prob but if you are sparty, the lil bro syndrome is natural. Just the way it has always been with sparty's or lil bro's forever.
-Why shouldn't the media be biased? Ostensibly, empirically and objectively, the SEC has dominated the past 6 years by winning every national championship, they are currently the best conference, and you cant spin it any other way!
-There are enough recruits to go around for 1 program in the SEC to out-recruit us
I can not possibly agree more with frank. Speak softly and carry a big stick. That should be our motto. Hoke is doing fantastic, but there are a ton of things that go into recruiting and top classes do not buy championships. I love the enthusiasm but we probably win 8 games or 9 this year(which is not bad given the brutal schedule).
This post was edited by kylebennett7127 21 months ago
Sorry, didn't mean to put you in quotes on that last one awink
You know I agree really, I love how we are dominating the mi-west recruiting and picking and choosing the remainder of the country. Sure, other schools will get their kids. But Hoke & co will be successful. All in all when they get on campus with the coaches it is obvious that Michigan is special.
Its all good.....just hook it up with your significant others sister
Right on brother, consider SiriusXM, it has gone from the College Sports Nation (which they call themselves) yet the channel is actually the SEC channel. The SEC is regarded as God and the SEC fans are sickening.
Spoken like a gentleman and a scholar
Now what you drinkin? I got a 32 oz home brewed swamp water ale. My bro is growing hops for me in Florida. Interesting, strong flavored and brutal. Will be rolling by the time I finish it! WOW!
Ha ha ha...its actually my wife and sister in law...but ill see what I can do
Geeze I got downvoted for that up there.....
Oh man maize I'm super Hung over....brother in law was in troy to visit me yesterday and we stayed out till 4am.just thinking about swamp water ale is making me sick
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