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I'm not going to lie, I have no idea what Hoke did at his previous schools, I didn't know who he was when you hired him, so I don't know what his "type" of QB is.
With that said, do you see your future offense being one of a pure drop back pocket passer, a throwing QB that also can run (Russell Wilson type), or another DRob if he comes along?
My favorite offense is the true power I, run 'em over and pass from a pocket. BUT I think in College football today the speed of these 250LB DE/DL make the mobile QB darn near a necessity. Seems there are many more great DL than OL in college.
I would say a QB that can pick you apart from the pocket but is also mobile. Essentially what Devin Gardner is supposed to be. Big arm, strong, yet mobile enough when he needs to be. Although, I personally prefer the air raid with a power downhill ground game, not very many teams have the tools to run it at an efficient enough level.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
I agree with you, Robo. My favorite type of offense is also the power I. It is just awesome to me to see the OL/RB just overpower the defense.
To answer your question - Honestly I know you Buckeye's love to hate on Shane Morris, but I'd say he is the most definitely the quintessence of what Hoke and Borges are looking for in a QB. Very much a pass first QB, but if the pocket collapses, he can definitely take off if he needs to. Not quite the type of QB that Russell Wilson is, I'd say a Hoke wants a QB a tad bit more pass first than Wilson was at Wiscy.
Ryan Lindley sure isn't mobile.
Less mobile than I would prefer, unfortunately. I have 100% confidence that there's going to be some kid in the future who we could have gotten but who we'll pass on because he's not polished enough as a pocket passer. Then that same kid is going to grow up to be RG3, and I'll have to scream into a pillow.
It wouldn't shock me if he didn't want a qb at all. Run power out of the I and play D, manball lol
Michigan will be one step closer if they sign Derrick Green.
Ryan Lindley wasn't recruited by Hoke & Borges. He was a holdover from the Chuck Long regime.
This is not supported by the evidence. '12 QB recruit Bennie Coney held a Michigan offer very early on last year. Hoke has stated before that he prefers a kid with some mobility over a complete statue. With that being said, I doubt very seriously that we will ever pursue a total QB project like a Denard or a Pat White as long as Hoke & Borges are here. RG3 doesn't fit into that category though. He was (and is) a true a dual threat who has the skill and passing ability to succeed in any offensive system.
Sorry, but you're not very up on your RG3 history. Obviously, RG3 is an excellent passer who could succeed in any system **now**, but he was not considered a polished passing prospect coming out of high school at all. The big schools that offered him did so at ATH or even for track, and even though recruiting services listed him at "dual threat QB," they expected him to play another position. Like, here's some quotes from a scouting report from TOS on Griffin from back then (hope this is OK, not sure if this is premium content or not, but since it's from 2007 about a guy in the NFL now Instead of anything at all timely I hope it's cool. If not, obv I'll just edit it out or a mod can).
"Still emerging as a throwing QB."
"The QB draw becomes the best play in the playbook."
"Griffin is the prototype single-wing tailback."
"Clearly a run-first guy, who could be a star at another position."
"Track program strength should be a major factor in his decision."
So Griffin was pretty much exactly the "total QB project" you and I agree that Hoke would not offer. And I know that Hole doesn't want a Navarre-like statue, he does like **some** mobility. But let's be honest, if a DL sells out on the pass rush and loses contain, Shane Morris or David Cornwell ain't burning anyone for 70 yards and the score. And that's no knock on either of them, they're great prospects. My only point is that if Hoke refuses to look at guys with ++athleticism but need a redshirt and a couple years on the sidelines honing their passing, we're going to miss on some special talents.
And he played as a redshirt freshman so not like Hoke couldn't get his own guy in.
That is always a certainty for every coach in football. Michigan has been missing out on guys like RGIII forever. Denard is the exception and he'll probably remain a lone exception. It is what it is.
Nobody on this board can define the word regression.... but it sure gets used a lot.
Tom Brady. A leader that takes care of the ball and can make the throws. I mean, he recruited the guy so I would assume he likes Brady's skills.
Only issue is that times have changed. Dlineman are faster and if I remember right Brady is one of the slowest qbs in the league.
With three rings
Slowest, yet arguably the best. Peyton Manning isn't exactly a burner either. In fact, most, if not all, of the greatest QBs of all time were pure pocket passers.
I would wait at least 2-3 more years before we really talk about what Hoke wants in this way. It'll take at least 4 recruiting classes to completely fix the depth issues from the RichRod era, and until then, I can't blame Hoke for taking polished QB prospects and players. Once we've got enough solid depth that we can take risks on athletic project QBs and players, then we'll see.
Maybe I was imprecise with my language there: we'll **unnecessarily** miss on special talents. I don't mind if we recruit a guy and he chooses another school, or if we evaluate a guy and choose not to offer/go after him hard because he doesn't return interest or whatever and you have to prioritize. What I have a problem with is that the coaches will almost certainly ignore this entire class of players from which program-changing stars can and do emerge simply because they have a narrow idea of what a QB does and what a QB prospect looks like out of high school.
Future of offense on full display in the SF/GB game tonight. Sad that we likely won't see Michigan running a scheme like this anytime soon.
I was just thinking this is exactly what our offense should look like next year with Devin Gardner at QB.
Does Alabama have a DT QB?
I hope it is, but my faith in Borges being able to design it isn't high. Hopefully I'm wrong.
They have at least one on the roster. Obviously their starter is not much of a dual threat. Relevance?
A few things:
- Al Borges actually installed parts of the same offense for our bowl game.
For instance, the zone read or QB draw out of the pistol formation.
- We ran it for certain plays against South Carolina.
Viewers should remember Gruden mentioning the resemblance to the Redskins offense with RG3.
- San Fran's offense is actually not as complex as it may seem. By comparison, the Redskins offense runs a lot more misdirections/sweeps/traps/counters.
I've been meaning to share an article discussing the evolution of NFL offenses (catalyzed by dual-threat QBs). I'll start a thread about it on Monday.
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Hey I'm a fan of the guy but let's be real he hasn't won a ring since 2004?
Yeah and he has been terrible since, oh wait..
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