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Interesting tidbit on possible divisions from from a Chicago Tribune article:
The Tribune has learned that in preliminary chats, Big Ten officials have inquired as to whether Northwestern would be open to pairing with the Eastern block of schools.
The thinking is Northwestern is a national university with large alumni bases up and down the East Coast. And if Northwestern went east, the western division could be tidy: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Purdue and Wisconsin. That would leave an eastern division of Northwestern, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers.
But the strong preference of NU officials is to stay west. Assuming a western division with Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin and either Indiana or Purdue, the Wildcats and their fans would have reasonable drives to everywhere but Minneapolis and Lincoln.
With the possibility that protected crossover rivalries will be spiked, Northwestern could maintain yearly rivalries with Illinois, Iowa and Wisconsin. And Nebraska visits mean guaranteed sellouts at Ryan Field.
Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany declined to comment Friday, texting that the conference is in "very early stages of review."
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson 18 months ago
Northwestern had a fan attendance disadvantage against Nebraska...in their own stadium. They'll go where we tell them to go, and like it.
That's probably the real reason they want to stay west. They are not worried about their fans being able to drive short distances to other stadiums, they want to be close enough to their opponents so their opponents' fans can drive short distances to Evanston and fill up theirs!
This post was edited by MrWoodson 18 months ago
I'm telling you. OSU/UM in the same division is all but assured.
I hope so.
It seem to be trending that way.
And while I was stubbornly against Michigan and Ohio in the same division, I'm starting to come around to the idea.
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Ditto. As long as the divisions aren't so unbalanced that whoever wins the OSU/UM game pretty much gets handed the B1G championship, I'm ok with it.
Really? I like the idea of the the winner of The Game going on to win the B10 70%+ of the time. It will be just like old times again!
That Eastern division is loaded!!
Talk about a 2 team division in the West. Wisky and Neb...
Does look that way. Positive for UM is they get to play the DMV school once a year and should help in recruiting
A division with UM, Ohio, AND Penn St? Ludicrously unbalanced, I really hope that doesn't happen. Why even have the other division play games at that point, just have Nebraska and Sconny flip for it.
This post was edited by inuyesta 18 months ago
Yea but under the reports of this article, the east conference is way more better then the west. The west Wisconsin and Nebraska, while it Michigan, MSU, PSU and OSU....and NW is solid
It would be the dumbest thing ever to agree on being in one division with OSU, PSU and MSU as well as programs that may well put up decent teams like Rutgers and NU. A mediocre year and we could easily lose 5-6 games in that setup where at the moment we might lose 4!
We'd also be doing the other division a big favor because you can easily imagine seasons where Nebraska, Wisconsin and one of the rest beat up on four out of Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Minnsota and Iowa and they draw some of the easier teams from our division.
I normally would say "no way we would agree to that" but then some people might fall into the "it will raise our profile" or "we will have more good home games" trap and since I sometimes get the vibe the university and the athletic department care more about money than about winning..I could see Brandon sign off on it. Stupidly.
I'm looking for Michigan and Ohio to be in same division... MSU in the other, but remaining Michigan's locked crossover game.
This looks completely out of balance, but I guess it would be the geographical split that limits one school from having a much higher travel budget than others. Best option for fans travelling as well. But the East would be a tough one to go undefeated through, and throw in the years we'd play Wisky or Nebraska on the road.....
BUT...should help our divisions SOS for the playoff in 2014.
Jeebus the East division is brutal w M, OSU, PSU, and mSu. I'd rather ship off Sparty, keep them as a protected game, and pull over Illinois or Purdue.
To me, makes more sense to move Sparty and NW west, and move Indy and Purdue east, but hey, what the heck do I know.
Unbalanced and makes no sense. I am ok with UM and OSU in the same division. However, some of the 'west' schools need to be pulled 'east', and vice versa.
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
No way this should happen. Putting ohio, UM, MSU, and PSU all in the same division is a brutal gauntlet to go thru for any of those teams. And Rutgers isn't exactly a pushover either. What if Michigan and Ohio State get to draft their own divisions? lol
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
That lineup certainly looks very unbalanced.
I think it's possible to justify unbalanced divisions, though. They could argue that all programs have their ups and downs and if you work to balance things now, it's likely to be unbalanced later (e.g. SEC West was dominant for a couple years). At the same time, you're putting three traditional powers (OSU, Michigan, PSU) into one division. Even if any of those three have down years, they will always be able to recruit on name alone, as Michigan has proven, and return to power quickly.
Will be interesting to see how the divisions look. Of course, the names will most likely be even worse - something like the Swedish words for "Leaders" and "Legends."
You guys are including MSU like they are going to continue what they did the previous couple years. That's not going to happen.
UM and OSU are obviously the top 2 teams going forward IMO. PSU's situation is likely going to get worse before it gets better.
So as of now if I was going to rank the programs going forward by division it isn't as crazy as some of you are making it out to be. The West would have #3 (Nebraska) and #4 (Wisconsin) It's not perfectly split, but it's fine by me,
Would it really make people feel better if MSU was in the West and Purdue or IU was in the East?
This is exactly the problem. The ACC tried to create balanced divisions with Miami and FSU on opposite sides and failed miserably. The B10 tried the same thing and failed. We had a 8-5 team in the Rose Bowl this year that already had a loss to Oregon State. Even the SEC has seen its divisions swing wildly in strength, with the East dominating the early years and the West dominating more recently.
If you focus instead on rivalries and geography, you guarantee the most important and passion-filled games are played every year. And you make it easier for fans to drive to games which significantly helps with ticket sales and keeping the stadiums full. Also, in an odd way, putting OSU, UM and PSU in the same division virtually guarantees one of them will end up in the BTCCG every year. No more Wisky v. MSU games no one cares about.
B10 East: OSU, UM, PSU, MSU, RU, UMD, IU
B10 West: UNL, UW, IOWA, NW, ILL, PUR, MINN
No question the B10 East is slightly top heavy, pending what happens with PSU over the next decade, but it also has arguably the two worst teams historically in UMD and IU. The BTCCG will generally always end up as the best out of OSU/UM/PSU vs. the best of the West. And you can eliminate guaranteed cross-division rivalry games because all but two (UM-MINN and IU-PUR) are preserved within the divisions. That will help ease the unbalanced schedules problem we have now and shortens the number of years teams from the opposite division rotate off schedule. I suppose you could swap MSU for PUR, but then you would almost certainly need to keep guaranteed cross-division rivalry games and I'm not really sure it's worth the relatively minor difference the swap would make. Historically, MSU and PUR are not all that different (sorry Sparty).
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson 18 months ago
This is a very good point. Frankly, Iowa easily has the potential to leapfrog MSU (if AIRBHG takes a season or two off).
I'm also going to love seeing tRCMB meltdown as MSU goes further and further downhill.
Add NW into that as well. Fizgerald may be a tool, but he's doing a good job.
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