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I should have said "directly" responsible but if you are blaming Meyer for what Geno Smith did can I blame hoke for Roundtree and Demen's secondary recruiting violations?
If it happened on his watch, then absolutely he is the head coach.
The kids should have known the rules. Having said that social networking is fairly new, sending recruiting video's has been a known infraction for quite sometime now.
to read an article that come from the detroit press, and call it fact is more laughable. if sparty had such a problem with the game film, why did they wait untill after they lost to about it?
EDIT: blue2468: Language
This post was edited by CorchBlue 21 months ago
I don't think many people here care to much about who's crying or when they're crying.
Why can't Ohio do things above board, right the first time?
I don't think this is "typical sec" because nobody in the SEC complains about this. I also don't think this is "typical Urban" because no coaches from his past have ever complained about this, whether from his days at Utah or Florida.
you don't get it
They had to use their time before the game to make up for lost time w/ the game film... it wasn't until after the game they finally had time to bitch about it. As much as I dislike sparty, something like this could set preparation back a day or even 2 which means a lot when you've only got 5 to prepare.
Correct. Ohio did this to gain an advantage. Why else would they do it? Out of boredom? Bucknuts, just deal with the fact that Urbs will be teetering on the edge fairness for the rest of his tenure.
46 secondary violations is just the beginning...
We normally have around 46 secondary violations 911? It's not really the beginning of anything.
Which is worse the game tape or putting your best player in after he got knocked out?
Yeah, putting Gholston back in was disgusting saying he got the wind knocked out of him.
If you're going for the lesser of 2 evils, that's a tough stance to be happy with. I just don't understand why such blatant acts would begin so quickly while the team is in the middle of a season that doesn't count.
Urban doesn't like Dantonio? He wants to piss him off after him and Bielemia accused Urban of cheating and crying over Urban taking Pittman and Dodson???
Dantonio doesn't like Urban? He wants to make Urban look bad, so he lies?
I don't know, I don't care. I just know that I don't have any respect for Sparty after that game.
This post was edited by dkerns 21 months ago
Read my first post. MSU, in all likelihood, had access to all of the game film well before the time that they claimed to have it from OSU. There are systems, such as one called "Dragonfly", that gives one school the ability to access and download any film from any school that also uses the same system.
Conferences typically have their schools utilize one specific system in order to ensure film can be distributed without issue. To my knowledge there are very few of these types of systems out there anyway.
Regardless, film can be sent from school to school in a variety of ways. MSU would have had four weeks to have access to OSU's first 3 games and break down the film from other schools. MSU saying they didn't have access to OSU's game film until Thursday is B.S.
This post was edited by posterchild 21 months ago
I never said Michigan State didn't have access until Thursday of game week, because they obviously had some access to it. But it's possible that they didn't have the complete films until Thursday of game week if OSU was slow to fix the problem.
Again, I have no idea what actually happened here. And I know all about the systems that certain schools/conferences use to share video. But it's still possible that Ohio State either altered a film that they had previously uploaded, or just doctored the film before even uploading it in the first place.
"MSU would have had four weeks to have access to OSU's first 3 games and break down the film from other schools"
How do you study film of games that haven't been played?
My gym teacher (huge MSU junkie) brought this up to me, he was complaining and calling Urban a slim ball for like 5 minutes today. Not sure he realizes how easy it is to get the film.
Wishigan stinks bad...after denard yall will really stink..BUCKEYES ON THE RISE DEAL WIT IT CRYBABIES....SEE U IN C BUS..
I can only imagine how you sound/look like in real life.
Do be mad at the TRUTH...
I'm shaking in my boots man.
I KNOW THE wHOle UP NORTH IS...
This post was edited by kizzle717 21 months ago
Amazingly, I'm referring to film from the Miami (OH), UCF and Cal games. Film from the first three games of the season would have been available for four weeks prior to MSU facing off with the Buckeyes. Meaning they would have had three full weeks to have GA's break down the film, again standard procedure in CFB.
Todd, all of the opponents that the Buckeyes faced in the first four weeks would have their OWN film shot from their OWN cameras. Unless one of the teams OSU faced in the OOC was going to play MSU later on in the season, that team would have no reason to not share the film of their game vs. the Buckeyes.
My main point is that MSU is crying over a loss and that this (non)story is pathetic. MSU saying they didn't have FULL film of the OSU offense simply means that the Michigan State video coordinator DID NOT DO HIS JOB. Because film is always available, but sometimes (I know, I have done it) you have to jump through hoops (meaning go through 1, or sometimes 2 or more teams) to get it. It is the nature of the business.
I believe what the poster you were replying to meant was that, with the Cal game being played two weeks before the MSU game, MSU didn't have a full 3-4 weeks to track down all the film.
I completely agree with you that there are ways to access the film through other schools if necessary. The point is that it shouldn't have been necessary. Even if it only set MSU's preparation for OSU back by 3 hours (and, assuming the allegations are true, it was likely at least a day), that's still too much. It's the principle of the whole thing.
I really have no rooting interest here. I'm not a Michigan fan, an Ohio State fan, a Michigan State fan, etc. I'm just a fan of the game in general, and want to see things done the right way. If these allegations are true, then I think Ohio State deserves criticism for it.
it seems like people are going back and forth arguing 2 different points here. most of the ohio fans keep arguing that its not a big deal because it didn't cause msu to lose the game. I believe pretty much all of the Michigan posters have agreed with that. Noone thinks the lack of full tape caused msu to lose. Then their arguing its ok for urban to do that because msu can get the tape elsewhere. Thats like saying you owe me $5 but are paying me $3 because I can go get the other $2 somewhere else. The point isn't could msu get full tape from somewhere else, the point is urban is required by the ncaa to supply msu with the full tape and he didn't do that. He attempted to subvert the rules and thats what this thread is all about. The fact that urban will flaunt the rules and try to get away with whatever he can.
Funny thing about this topic is that the B1G people are up in arms. However, if you listen to national shows like Bill King, Finebaum, Sirius College Sports Radio, they say that Urban needs to bring this kind of nastyness to the B1G to make it competitive with the SEC. I'm not so sure......and please don't shoot the messenger, I did come here in peace!
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