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You just jumped to the conclusion that all people from Ohio are rednecks. Very interesting.
Lots of historical examples of good men who make bad moral choices. Tress donated over $1million to the Youngstown St football program after he left for tOSU, plus got them a big payday game in Columbus. Tressell practically adopted a never-gonna-see-the-field walk-on who broke his neck in a practice. Bought workout machines for the kid from his own pocket. Made sure the kid had a role as long as he wanted. Tress bashers here prove their ignorance of why Buck fans generally love the guy. Tress bashers are all the f-ing POPE, nobody ever chested on wife/gf or fudged taxes. The fact this hate is being spewed on a THE GAME weekend, on the losers website? Kinda pathetic. Showcasing UM morality, I guess.
"all the ohio rednecks" .... read again. dumb.
The Father, The Son... well, it's the
The Holy Trinity... as I see it.
blah blah blah you lost get over it....
Ha, I will, thanks for the advice. My advice to you is, I don't know, well there isn't much you can actually do. Maybe take some logic classes?
Good for them. Aside from the extra practices bowl games provide, a non-BCS bowl is just as good as no bowl for the tOSUs, Alabamas, USCs, Oregons, and LSUs of the college football world, which is to say it's really not good at all. Of course such indifference sets in after playing in 8 BCS bowl games in 11 years, with a record of 5-3. So what tOSU faltered a few times on the Big Stage; it's only because they got there... ALOT. That is something that Purdue, Iowa State, Duke, AND ****igan cannot say.
Too bad ****igan fans have to resort to character attacks because the Buckeyes have proved to be better on the field over the last decade. Unless one is a fan of ND or Duke, I would not be throwing stones for fear of knocking out a glass wall or three and exposing your dirt.
This post was edited by TimBucktoo 20 months ago
The point is that some of the lower, less intelligent elements of the Ohio population and Ohio State fanbase seem to have found their way over here. That doesn't mean all Ohio people are rednecks, just that there's a lot of rubes or rednecks from Ohio in this thread.
Just as a point, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously in a conversation using childish accronyms and so forth, while generally acting like a meathead who even a Bret Bielema at his most drunk would deem well below him.
This post was edited by UMSkeletor 20 months ago
Please share with us how "[t]OSU as an institution put up that 'hero's welcome' for Tress"? The 2002 National Championship TEAM was honored on the field. The PA announcer or anybody else for that matter did nothing to acknowledge Tressel above that team. It was the players from that team who hoisted THEIR FORMER COACH onto their shoulders and the fans who chanted Tressel's name.
Nice try attempting to besmirch the entire institution. Btw, I noticed ****igan did not remove the Big Ten and NCAA banners from the Fab Five years except under threat from the NCAA years after the transgressions. So much for honor and integrity.
Its not about being mad at him, you can like him or feel the way you do. Its about the embodiment of a program, and the image you want to represent and portray. To celebrate someone so shortly removed for serious violations is questionable judgement, the same kind of questionable judgement Tressel exhibited.
Actually, the AP natty we won in '97 is more prestigious then the coaches poll
Except (correct me if I'm wrong), this situation had nothing to do with someone from the Ohio football program being investigated by the FBI. The FBI found out that football players were selling memorabilia, which Tressel subsequently found out about. When asked by the NCAA if he was playing anybody who was ineligible, he repeatedly said no. And of course Tressel would not have reported it once the investigation ended. He knew about this after the investigation, and before the NCAA found out he knew about this for the entire football season without notifying them. The NCAA found out on their own investigation that Tressel was not divulging information about improprieties and NCAA record violations, and he tried to cover up that he knowingly was playing ineligible players.
actually cheering a cheat makes me feel worse about it, because through much introspection, many things are more important then football.
This post was edited by Awink2 20 months ago
This comment is the rationale on why this thread was created. Michigan distanced themselves from these improprieties, especially immediately after the investigation was concluded. They did not parade anybody involved (to my knowledge) following any probation or sanctions. These two violations arent even tantamount, as one involved few players, while the other involved numerous players, but more importantly a complicit head coach.
Amazing analogy .
Does your scenario factor in what "Tress" was told about what the FBI investigation revealed before he spoke with said players? If so, I think information from an FBI investigation would be more credible then speaking with said players....and then you take the players word anyways.
look up the word disassociation, and then get back to me. Michigan disassociated itself from a much less severe situation (there was no cover up by a head coach), for a much longer time, then Ohio did this past weekend with much more severe violations and a shorter duration in time. Way to set the standard. Also people, stop talking about the game and who won or loss. Put those 6 pages of dirt in a different thread.
dont want to drone this on but if you have some evidence that the FBI couldn't produce you should present it, otherwise you're making slanderous remarks.
I imagine had ****igan miraculously won the game (it no longer deserves capitalization stepchildren) this post would not exist and in its place would be a bunch of gloating and chest puffery.
Anyhoo, I am very familiar with what "disassociation" means; however, that is not my point. My question to you is did Michigan disassociate itself willingly to uphold some higher standard, or was it simply a proactive move to mitigate inevitable NCAA penalties? You can minimize ****igan' infractions (in your mind) all you'd like, but Martin paid significant sums of money to the Fab Five, and later Robert "Tractor" Traylor, over multiple years and gave them fairly expensive vehicles. True, Fisher was never implicated in the pay-to-play, but he was the most clueless person in Ann Arbor if he did not know what was going.
I can be honest and admit Tressel cheated. As such, it is excruciating to witness you tortuously manipulate facts to make ****igan look cleaner (in your mind) than the Alabamas, Kentuckys, USCs, tOSUs, and other powerhouse programs in college sports.
BTW, so much for integrity: http://jalenrose.com/press/members-of-michigans-fab-five-honored-at-crisler-arena-november-21-2010
So what it was 15 years after the violations. Pete Rose is still banned from baseball and it has been much longer. Just another irrelevant fact that you'll hold up to make ****igan appear holier than thou. Wrong is wrong, right?
Sir, with all due respect the difference is quite simple. The banners from the championships that the fab five collected during their time at Michigan are no longer in the rafters because of the improprieties that took place.
Where is the memorabilia that OSU accumulated for the championships won by Tressel, Pryor and co.? (besides the stuff they sold)
I don't know that is why I am asking, but If I had to guess probably hanging around or in a display somewhere around the stadium.
I enjoy reading the things happening with our biggest rival. I understand many will always have a negative slant on Coach Tressel. Like many I have major issues with the way he conducted himself at the end of his time. I don't think he was/is a bad person or was "unethical" for ten years. I think the NCAA and Sports Illustrated dug deep and hard after the National Championship and found nothing they could pin on the program as a "major violation".
I do believe Tressel sold his sole to the devil for Pryor. Lost control. It happens to good people sometimes when they get to greedy. The bowl ban is deserved, the punishment fits the crime. However, I can separate what the program did in 02 from the things Tressel did in the last yr(s) of the program.
I've read some reports recently that say Tress has lost weight, looks healthy, is less stressed, and happy. Those things make me believe even more that Tressel sold out. And it was not the person he is, but allowed expectations to overtake his values. Just my 2 pennies. Good luck in your Bowl.
so did Michigan!
We get it. Tress lied to the NCAA. That is bad and he got what he deserved.
That said, he has done amazing philanthropic work in the community. He has been adored by almost all him players for the way he mentored them. He did great work encouraging athletes in the classroom. And he led the program into an unparalleled ten years. His ending was shameful, his body of work was praiseworthy.Just a little actual rationale for those of you who can't seem to see the forest through the trees.
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