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ND will get trounced by Oklahoma and USC.
Am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing ND win out? If Michigan's only 2 losses of the year were to undefeated NC contenders it would be a solid year winning the B1G and the Rose Bowl.
Then ND will come into next year w/ an inflated ranking, and Michigan can get their 1st signature win early.
After the way most ND fans are reacting, I want to see them lose hard, and early.
Although, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a repeat of 2006 - one of our rivals goes into the NC with a swelled head and some foolish idea that they'll beat the best SEC team in the land, and proceeds to get pounded into the turf.
I'm probably in the minority, but I wish them well. I think Kelly is doing a great job with their program.
He's starting by getting a solid defense going, and is opening up their offense more and more as he gets his system in place.
It reminds me of what Hoke is doing, except Kelly had more depth and talent up and down the roster than what Hoke started with.
And I don't think ND is a favorite against Oklahoma or USC, but I don't see any reason they can't win those games.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I like ND.
In fact, if Michigan just stopped playing football, like the program just got shut down, I would seriously consider becoming a fan of ND. I just hate really overrated teams.
Fair enough. What do you think their actual ranking should be? I'd put them around 10th if I were making a poll.
I dont, because I think there are much larger ramification with recruiting that will hurt Michigan. Recruits buying into the momentum and hype, everyone knows that if Michigan had probably 2, and maybe 1 less turnover we win that game. I saw 2 interceptions ND made today, and it was nothing special that their defense did. Yes they were playing solid coverage, but it was poor decisions and placement and accuracy with the opposing QB, much like Denard did. Stanford missed a 25 yard field goal earlier in the game that would have won them the game in regulation....ND is garbage, and Okla will put a Texas size ass whooping on them
I think Michigan will be fine in recruiting regardless of what ND does, but that is a point I didn't think of.
I give ND's defense a lot of credit though, their line is massive and agile, Manti is the best LB in the nation, and their DB's aren't great but always seem to be in good position.
I don't see Oklahoma beatin them like they did Texas, but I do think it'll be a 14 point game.
ND fans opinion here. The overall defense is a top 5 defense. Elite D line, Nix, Tuitt are playing like men among boys and Kap and Shembo are solid.
We have the best LB in the country. Teo's leadership cant be overstated. Spond has been the biggest surprise in the Corp. Calabrese and Fox combo is the weakest link but playing better than expected.
Zeke Motta has made a lot of money for himself. Probably went from a 5-6 round pick to a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Russell and Fairley bring athletism that has been lacking and the numbers speak for themseves aready more ints then all of last season. Its a product of of the d-line but you still have to be in position to make plays.
Redzone D is outstanding. Its very hard to run inside the 20 against us.
I believe all teams we face suffered their lowest offensive output of the season except Purdue (Which I would argue was due to jet lag. A 9 hour round trip flight in 4 days will zap anyone's energy.)
As for the offense. Its progressing. Golson is a freshman and he's plays like a freshman still up and down but he's getting alot better. He has the all the tools physically he really needs to step up his presnap reads. He missed a ton of all out blitz packages where he had one on one match ups with Eifert. While Michigan was his low point, I thought he grew up in the 2nd half vs Stanford yesterday. After the 1st half he could of quit like he did against Michigan, but he made throw after throw and began to hang in the pocket.
We have good running backs why Cierre Wood isnt our featured back only Kelly knows. My guess is he is still in the doghouse.
The O-line seems to need a half before it starts playing. Stanford, MSU, Michigan all control them in the 1st half, but in the 2nd half ND's oline takes over. Something that needs to be fixed asap
With all that being said the thing that makes us a legit Top 5 team HEART. Its something you cant teach or bottle up. Either a team has it or it doesnt. A refusal to lose. Its the x factor that carried you guys to the Sugar Bowl last year and its what has propelled ND to 6-0.
You misspelled "HEART." It's actually "LUCK."
I root for ND to lose every week. Growing up in a city with a ton of Irish I know plenty of ND fans. When ND is good, they are unbearable.
False. I'd bet the consistent top 10 classes ND has brought in may have had something to do with the winning.
With no rooting interest either way, I think those are two winnable games for Notre Dame. They're both road games, but I don't think either team is unbeatable by any means. Notre Dame will likely be the best defense either team has faced all year. Oklahoma already lost at home to Kansas State, and USC isn't exactly a juggernaut this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Irish go 0-2, 1-1 or 2-0 in those games.
Yeah, I guess I did go a little overboard saying ND is going to get "trounced"..
To be honest, I think USC is a very winnable game for ND. If Stanford's front seven can dominate USC, then ND shouldn't have much of a problem doing that either. The X factor in that game is definitely going to be Golson vs the USC defense. If he has a good game, ND will probably win.
But I still do not like them at all vs Oklahoma.
I don't understand how any Michigan fan can "like" Notre Dame.
In my opinion, those fans don't understand how bitter this rivalry is.
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You're right, I don't.
I'm not really familiar on the history of this rivalry. And with the exception of one or two of them, the ND fans seem pretty cool to me and I don't really have any problems with them.
What makes this rivalry so bitter? Honest question
This post was edited by TAMUWolverine 18 months ago
I intend to give my kids three options when it comes to colleges. They can go to Michigan or the Ivy League, and I'll pay for it. They can go somewhere on full scholarship and I'll give them a stipend. However, if they go to Notre Dame, MSU, or (god forbid) Ohio State, I'm disowning them.
The rivalry has historical roots in the conflict between Fielding Yost and Knut Rockne but that's essentially ancient history.
The rivalry became incredibly bitter from 1986 to 1994. It's not a coincidence that 1986 was Lou Holtz's first season at Notre Dame and 1994 was the last time he coached against Michigan. Holtz was 5-3-1 over that 9 .
During that stretch, a number of superior Michigan teams lost to inferior Notre Dame teams on a single possession in what could've been banner years. The one that "hurts" the most is 1988.
You can get a quick summary of the games on this wiki page.
Hey, they certainly may get trounced in one or both of those games. No one really knows what will happen until the game is played. I think they've got a realistic shot to win both of them, but OU and USC are both good enough to blow ND out if the Irish don't play their A game.
What if they go to Notre Dame for undergrad, get a graduate degree from Michigan State, and then end up teaching at Ohio State?
I look forward to Oklahoma dominating you
The key against ND is having no unforced errors or turnovers....I would say that teams have beat themselves (like Michigan did) then ND actually beating them (Bama beat Michigan....see the difference??)
Awink2 sorry ND beat Michigan the same way Alabama beat Michigan. Forced To's are apart of the game. Redzone defense is apart of the game. Missed Fg's ect... A couple tidbits about the top 5's opp. wins totals.
This will be the 1st week ND plays a team with more than 1 loss
Hard to go 6-0 with just smoke and mirrors or teams just beating themselves every week.
It's not the same thing between Alabama and Notre Dame. Notre Dame squeaked out a 7 point victory after our QB turned it over something like 4-5 times. A few at least that were really just awful decisions, not some spectacular plays by your DBs. And the Irish still only won by 7 points. Notre Dame is overrated, I just don't know if there is anyone on your schedule to expose you. Even if they do make it to the NC, do you really see them beating Alabama? I think you get crushed.
This post was edited by skepticalguy90 18 months ago
I think Alabama would beat the crap out of Notre Dame but that's a long way off. I can see ND go unbeaten, but at the same time you look at their team and think it's entirely possible for them to lose one they shouldn't. Those ACC teams in the back of the schedule look like the easy games but these days it's become almost a regular occurance for those easy games to turn into upsets.
With regards to Notre Dame, I don't hate them the way I hate Ohio State or Michigan State, but I dislike them very strongly. It's not even because of Lou Holtz or our seasons running into trouble early on by losing to them in the past (or this year for that matter), it's because I hate arrogance especially when it can't be backed up.
I mean for starters, Notre Dame is not as good a school as they'd want you to believe. It's not a bad school but it's not a top university either. It's in fact not as good as a number of the public universities to which they feel superior. See, that's part of why they joined the ACC and think the Big Ten is beneath them, all that "national brand" stuff is just P.R. talk to cover up that deep down they think they should associate with their blue-blooded equals at private universities like Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Miami or Pitt rather than those beer-guzzling public school Midwest farmer boys in the Big Ten. The fact that those Big Ten boys are often "godless" (i.e. not catholics) isn't as relevant anymore because the Big Ten schools have become more catholic in terms of their student bodies, but it still is there beneath the surface.
But why is Notre Dame relevant? It's not because of academics, it's not because they have produced such great individuals you have to reckon with them as an academy producing America's brightest and best. It's because of their football team and its extremely large fanbase which has its strongholds amongst the working-class Irish. So these snobs basically only exist in the national consciousness because of the sentimental attachment of plumbers and electricians in Chicago, St.Louis and New York. Nothing wrong with an honest trade, but if you think about Notre Dame's arrogance it's rather ironic.
And of course that football team hasn't won anything in 20 years either, if you look at the last 10 seasons of Notre Dame, they look more like North Carolina State than any of the teams to which they like to compare themselves. This year of course it might be different and I would never underestimate their ability to be good at football, but let's face it, even with Brian Kelly they won't ever be again what they once were.
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