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WTF? Crumplers? Who the hell crumples it up and goes to work? That's disgusting
As I understand it, it's a very personal choice.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
How would you rate our defense?
I remember going into last season I said with good coaching we would jump into the top 40 and you said we had no talent.
Obviously they were just very lucky last season .
In all seriousness, they exceeded my expectations. This year they're about where I thought; you miss Martin and Co. on the DL, but your back-7 has taken a step forward. I'm more impressed with the LBs than the DBs, more because I feel UM hasn't really been challenged through the air. They've at least played multiple teams with good to very good rushing offenses; to be in the top half of Rush D's after starting the year with Bama and AF is pretty darn impressive. I think UM has held their last 3 opponents to an average of 86 YPG on the ground.
I do like the fundamentals on the back 7, especially the secondary's tackling ability.
gave you a +1. How would you rank the Big Ten defenses as of right now?
Edit: top 4 or 5 would be fine
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MichRedWingFan7 18 months ago
This post was edited by Hoke Express 18 months ago
what's disgusting is people that only wipe with toilet paper. how does that clean your a$$? I have to spray it with water and clean it thoroughly every time. I never took a #2 and wiped couple times and lifted up my pants, but everyone else does. now that's disgusting.
This post was edited by Wolverines89 18 months ago
I don't think you realize how solid the dline play has been. Have they been making game changing plays in the backfield? No. Have they demanded the olines attention letting the LBs roam free? Yes.
The play of Campbell has been good. Not up to the expectations of his recruitment, but he has been good. Washington has been solid. He constantly demands double teams. Roh has been getting better and better each week. The WDE rotation has been the most disappointing to me, but it isn't because of bad play, it is because I had higher expectations.
BWC & Quinton have improved 10x since the start of the season... they've been re-establishing the line of scrimmage consistently the past few weeks.
Rocky is on here to discuss football guys. Let's leave the childish "crap" where it belongs.
Yes, I agree with everything. I'm surprised ojemudia has been getting reps as well.
However, beyer should get better, he missed some time this year.
This post was edited by kylebennett7127 18 months ago
Rocky, how has your dline performed compared with expectation?
How do they match up with our oline?
So, Maxwell's two best games have been road games so far. What gives? (EMU and OSU have bad defenses and they were home games).
For every MSU game, Rocky does a complete breakdown of the match-ups between the 2 teams. He has already did the stats, and the MSU O vs Mich D. Today the MSU D vs the Mich O will come out. Tomorrow the special teams, both teams keys to victory, annd game prediction.
Edit: Go to their news/articles section to view them.
This post was edited by xxmgobluexx 18 months ago
I'll do it in Tiers.
Tier 1 (Very good) - MSU, UM
Tier 2 (good) - Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State
Tier 3 (adequate)- Minnesota (surprisingly), Northwestern, Nebraska, Purdue
Tier 4 (You call THAT Big 10 football?!?)- Ohio State, Indiana, Illinois
In that respect, they're playing about as well as the MSU DL; the Spartan LBs are kept mostly clean, but the DL hasn't taken that next step into changing the game on their own. I think if you had MM and RVB this year, it'd put your D over the top as the undisputed best unit in the conference. As it stands, the DL is the "Weak Link" relatively speaking, though I agree with you that they aren't "Weak" on an absolute scale.
Just a very small note Rocky, Quinton Washington is a RS JR, not a RS SR. Great work on these though. I do think you're overplaying the whole "Michigan's opponents suck" angle, but nice work.
MSU's DL has underperformed relative to expectations. The thought was that the natural progression of Gholston, Rush and White would off-set the loss of Worthy. In contrast, it was Worthy that allowed those players to perform as well as they did; basically they weren't as good as we though initially, so though they may be improved compared to their technique from last year, the overall effectiveness of the line isn't at the '11 level.
That doesn't mean they've been bad. It's a very good run-stopping unit, particularly the DTs. The only runs up the middle that have worked have been quick, pistol-style draws (Ohio State) where the C and OG double team the 1-tech (white) and pop open the A-gap. As I said to xx, MSU's DL has done a good job of keeping MSU's LB's free; Bullough is having a fine junior year, and Allen just went off for 13 tackles, 1.5 TFL and an INT against Iowa.
The pass rush has been lacking. The QB hurries are there (8 for Gholston and Rush on the season), but the DL alone has produced just 2 sacks. Sacks aren't the be-all and end-all of a DL, but having 6 in 7 games just isn't enough.
It's more of an unknown situation for me. Michigan hasn't really played a "middle of the road" opponent; it's been top 10, or bad. I guess Purdue counts a bit, but they've been waxed 2 straight weeks and their best "W" is losing closely to ND.
The point was more specifically to your pass D; I don't think Michigan has faced even a competent downfield unit since Bama, and that's of almost no probative value since MSU's OL is no where NEAR what Bama had. That doesn't mean that I think Maxwell will throw for 310 yards, 4 TDs and 0 INTs, just that I don't really know how your DBs will cover downfield. They're great at tackling and sniffing out short routes though. I did give the edge to UM in that match-up BTW.
I agree wholly sacks not being everything. Qb pressures are just as important, especially when the pressure comes up the middle.
Hoover should provide more depth and fresher players throughout the game as well. But I wonder what the over/under is with batted passes from denard in this game. I'll start with 2
Yeah, I wasn't too worried about stats and I have them in just about every category you can imagine. We also have pm about skewed stats.
I was more looking for matchups at positions.
But thanks for the info.
Whats the early weather patterns looking like for the game guys? Did anyone see?
Well, the easy answer is that CMU and Indiana have craptastic defenses.
I just looked it up though . . . .
CMU has the 34th ranked yardage D and 80th ranked pass eff. D
IU has the 77th ranked pass yardage D, but the 66th ranked pass eff. D
So, those pass D's are merely mediocre instead of horrible. MSU has played similarly mediocre D's (EMU, 51st pass D, 71st pass eff. D; tOSU: 103rd pass D, 34th pass eff. D) and hasn't put up the same results (4 TDs, 0 INTs against CMU and IU, over 60% completion and averaging 280+ yards/game).
I think it has to do with timing and personnel. If you watched the Boise State game, you saw a bunch of drops/bobbles and it was pretty clear that Maxwell wasn't responsible for all 3 INTs. He still threw for 248 yards, and a couple of those bobbles being caught would have pushed him to close to 300 yards. Basically, the routes and throws were there, the hands were missing.
Against CMU, MSU's receivers were consistent. It's really as simple as that.
The problem was that they regressed against ND and EMU. Fowler didn't have a catch against EMU, and dropped sure TD passes in each game. He threw for 269 yards against tOSU and 1 TD, which was fine; drops were there again.
Against IU, Burbridge made his debut and that changed the dynamic of the passing O. He was able to handle the opponent's #1 CB and still get loose (8 receptions, 134 yards), which allowed the other receivers to work on the next DB down from what they were used to.
I really wish it wasn't raining last Saturday, because I would have liked to see how the passing O worked against a solid secondary with Burbridge in the line-up. He got his (5 rec. 89 yards) and Keith Mumphery had a big game as well (4 rec. 71 yards), but the conditions made it pretty hard to spread the ball around. I was impressed that both guys were able to pin point the ball deep and haul in downfield passes, but I would have liked to see Fowler and Lippett work on the #3 and #4 DBs and get some YAC.
Basically I don't think home/road has much to do with it; I think the road games happened to have coincided with times that the passing O was taking a step forward.
Now, if Maxwell DOES go 20/26 for 297 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs this weekend, I'll have to reconsider the foregoing statement . I think a more reasonable stat line is 20/38, 203 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Sorry for the confusion.
Article one is stats.
Article two is position group matchups and more, MSU Offense vs Mich Defense.
Article three is position group matchups and more, MSU defense vs Mich Offense.
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