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Just heard from someone who would know that Syracuse has recently moved up the list of B10 expansion candidates. Apparently, there is serious resistance by UNC and Duke (the B10 wants at least one) and UVA. Not sure how this all plays out, because I continue to believe once the Maryland situation is settled all hell is gonna break loose, but keep an eye on Syracuse. They might be coming to a stadium near you very soon.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 12 months ago
If the B1G adds Syracuse on top of Rutgers, they'll own the NYC market, not to mention absolutely assuring the B1G's spot as the best basketball conference in the nation.
I think that's part of the thinking. By all accounts, UNC is at the top of the wish list, but if they say "no" along with Duke and UVA it really limits the B10's options. FWIW Syracuse has elite lacrosse and has a women's ice hockey program (adding a men's program would be relatively easy). And although football has been "down" for most of the past two decades, it has a very strong history. Throw in NYC and upstate New York as media markets and Syracuse has a lot of things the B10 is looking for. It's a solid academic fit too, despite recently losing its AAU status.
OK, Syracuse is logical, I have said this for a long time.
But tell you what: lose tomorrow, you can have the spot
Seems like Syracuse is being discussed yearly as one of the programs likely to get hammered by sanctions:
^One semi-recent article by Charles Robinson. Not sure how wise it'd be to add Syracuse given the negative attention Ohio State, Penn State, and now even Rutgers have brought to the B1G lately.
I know market expansion goes way over my head, but I just want some one who is good at football. I know, simplistic way to view things, but that's all I want. Give me FSU...
Syracuse to the B1G would be a dream come true. 3.5hours away and I'd be able to see some quality opponents!
I would think Boston College would be a better candidate than Syracuse in many ways.
Yah, hopefully Cuse replaces Rutgers.
This post was edited by Uncle Newt 12 months ago
skeptical inuyesta is skeptical of how much marginal added value in the NYC market Syracuse would bring.
3. Georgia Tech
7. Virginia Tech
I don't disagree ... Syracuse alone doesn't get you NYC. But no single school does. You need a portfolio of national brands to create enough of a critical mass to be significant in the NYC market. UNC and Duke are two of the biggest national brands in college basketball. Adding either one would be a homerun, because it would add the State of North Carolina to the B10 footprint and enhance the total package of national brands the B10 has to sell. But if UNC and Duke both refuse to leave the ACC, the B10 will be forced to consider other options that are less than homeruns. Miami (on your list) is very interesting and would be my first choice after UNC and Duke. GT, on the other hand, seems like fools' gold. It has no compelling sports and is the #2 school for athletics in its own state. It's also not a national brand that really adds much to the B10 portfolio. UVA is a similar choice. It would expand the B10 footprint into a new state, but it's not really a national brand in any major sport. As for Miami vs. FSU, either would provide a strong presence in the State of Florida and both are attractive national brands in football, but IMO Miami would be the better academic and cultural fit in the B10.
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When Delany did his study of the 3 northeastern non-AAU schools (Syracuse, Boston College, and Connecticut), UConn absolutely destroyed the other two in almost every metric possible.
Syracuse is still WAAAAAY down the list. If we DID take one of the three Northeastern schools (HIGHLY unlikely), it would be UConn.
UConn DOES get you into New York City during basketball season. When Delany did his study, they destroyed all the other New York City area schools in television ratings including St. Johns.
The combination of UConn/Rutgers combined with the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana, Maryland etc. during basketball season would would make the Big Ten Network a must buy in the New York City Metro during basketball season. UConn is basically New York City's adopted college basketball school.
UConn football in the B10 would be comical at best.
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I think there is an argument for UConn. Just not a great one, because they are SO weak in football. Syracuse sucks generally too, but at least they have a past.
Still, with the ACC deal pending, can't see this happening.
I wouldn't hold my breath on UConn if I were you. The SEC saw more value in WVU and Mizzou. The B10 skipped over them in favor of Rutgers and UMD. And even the ACC doesn't want them (they chose Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville instead). I can't speak to TV ratings for UConn basketball games in NYC or anywhere else, but whatever they are they're clearly not enough.
Also, FWIW, despite our decade long hiatus, UM remains one of the most powerful national brands in college basketball. As a wise man once said, "It's good to be the king!"
UConn's football potential looking 10 to 20 years out blows Boston College and Syracuse off the map. They just started playing Division One football about 10 years ago and went to a BCS Bowl as recently as January 2012.
They have easy access to their stadium from all over New England. They have roughly 12 million more people living within a 150 mile radius of Storrs than Boston College has living within 150 miles of their campus. Penn State's campus has nothing but woods and mountains for 150 miles until you hit Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, yet we have a 110,000 seat stadium.
UConn is the state flagship University of Connecticut with basically NO competition for University loyalties within their own state (except maybe to a very small degree, Yale).
Boston College is a private University competing for attention within their own CITY from Harvard, Boston University, Tufts, Northeastern, and, within their own state, UMass. In fact, geographically, more of Massachusetts is closer to UConn's campus than BC's campus. UConn's campus is only 19 miles further from Boston than East Lansing is from Ann Arbor. NO ONE in Boston cares about BC football unless they are playing Notre Dame. In fact, truth be known, UConn and BC have about the same following in the Boston Metro.
New York state doesn't have a state "Flagship University". Their state University system is split up into so many loyalities that rooting interests are all over the map.
I live in Western New York, and absolutely NOBODY cares one whit about Syracuse. The Big Ten Network suprisingly has made Big Ten teams the most followed football teams in Western New York. Penn State is the most followed team followed by Notre Dame, Ohio State, West Virginia, Pitt, Michigan, etc. Then people have their own schools they root for like the University of Buffalo.
In basketball season, people in western New York follow St. Bonaventure, Canisius, Niagara, Notre Dame and the Big Ten schools. Syracuse is hardly talked about unless they are playing a Big Ten school like Michigan or Ohio State.
Neither Syracuse or Boston College have any room for expansion of their campuses or facilities. UConn has unlimited room for growth. And they have the full backing of their state government to improve and increase their research assets and facilities. Unlike the other two schools, UConn is dead serious about gaining AAU status, and, as I said, has the complete backing of their state government to achieve that goal.
In short, UConn reminds me a LOT of Penn State in the late 1960s. In the late 60s, we didn't have NEARLY the research assets and athletic facilities we have now, but since our entrance into the Big Ten and CIC, our growth has been beyond phenomenal. That can happen at UConn too. And they have one HUGE advantage over Penn State.
Whereas our state Government has been literally trying to destroy Penn State as a major research University since our current Governor took office soley to reduce our political lobbying ability in Harrisburg, UConn has the full support and financial backing from their state government and Governor.
Since that study Delany did, UConn has opened up a LOOOT of eyes in the Big Ten offices. They still probably won't get into the Big Ten on this round. But if they do, they will be a MAJOR asset to the Big Ten looking 10 years out.
Since this thread is about Syracuse, I'm only comparing UConn to the other two Northeastern non-AAU candidates. UConn simply blows the other two off the map in almost every metric possible over the long term.
That being said, none of the three will probably get a wiff of the Big Ten on this go around. As you said, Missouri is ahead of them, and will probably get an invite if UNC continues to procrastinate and we go to 18 as expected. Virginia is our number one target and they are just waiting for the Maryland legal issues to play out.
Mizzou will not get an invite to the B10. And UConn does not blow away Syracuse. If they did, the ACC would have taken them. UConn has great basketball ... that's it ... and who knows how the men's program will fare now that Calhoun has retired. UConn is nowhere on the B10's wish list. The B10 would take FSU first. And FWIW I was born in upstate New York and have family there. Syracuse is huge in the western part of the state. UConn doesn't come anywhere close (as you suggested above).
Seems unlike the Big Ten could steal a team from the SEC. I know the Big Ten has a ton of money and the BTN, but the SEC has a lot of money too. Just don't see a team making that jump
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Agree. That ship has sailed.
I'll also note a few things about New England
1) BC competes the schools you mentioned academically and for prestige in the Boston job market, but not in athletics. BC is the only one of those schools with a D1 football team.
2) You're right that no one really cares about BC football in Boston (although they get a good bandwagon following when they're decent, see the Matt Ryan years), but that's because no one in New England cares about any football besides the Patriots. On a per-capita basis, and maybe even without the per capita, New England is the weakest region of the country for non-professional football. The region's loyalties are not ripe for the plucking by UConn, they are ripe for continued total apathy.
3) Equating UConn with Penn State from a long time ago is silly. Penn State, though rural, sits in the middle of a state rich with high school football talent, and borders other powerful football states in New Jersey and Ohio. Penn State is the premier public institution in one of the most populous states, with two major cities (Philly and Pitt) where its graduates can dominate the market. Penn State was also fortunate enough to land one of the greatest coaches of all time and get him to stay for 45 years.
Contrast with UConn. UConn is in the middle of the East Coast megalopolis, yes, but this is perhaps the weakest area of the country for high school football talent. UConn is the premier public institution in its state, but its state is tiny, has no major metropolitan areas for UConn to dominate, and the nearby cities are either too large and nationally attractive (New York) or too well-stocked with home grown elite academies (Boston) for UConn to plausibly take over. And Joe Paterno ain't walking through UConn's door. And, in the current era of college football, even if a future legend did find himself coaching the Huskies, he would bolt for greener pastures after a couple winning seasons rather than stay for a half-century to build up a nothing program from scratch.
Plus, even if we could, I don't see which SEC team we'd even want to steal. UK, Tennessee, Vandy, and Mizzou make the most geographic sense, but none of those schools really bring much to the table from an athletic or TV market perspective.
If only the Big 12 had allowed itself to go quietly into the night. Pac-12, B1G and SEC could have picked off the plum pieces, the AC could have taken the cream of the Big East, and this superconference thing would have gone so tidily. Alas.
As a New York resident, this couldn't be farther from the truth. Syracuse IS the flagship University in New York, especially for basketball.
Yeah, in NYC...Syracuse is on all the time. And there are TONS of alumni down there.
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