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Stonum....

  • Due51 said... (original post)

    5%? What makes you say that?

    Because that's a ridiculously weak offense to get booted off the team for. I realize he's on the thinnest of ice, but driving yourself to probation?

    I think you know it'd be ridiculous when you have MSU fans saying so.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Because that's a ridiculously weak offense to get booted off the team for. I realize he's on the thinnest of ice, but driving yourself to probation?

    I think you know it'd be ridiculous when you have MSU fans saying so.

    Maybe you can lob a call into Coach Hoke on Stonum's behalf ... ???

  • Wow pretty petty offense. Not sure the situation but if stonum did anything short of walk in and say "i had no ride and i drove myself," then he was in the wrong. Interesting to see what Hoke does. When I first heard about it without hearing the situation, I said boot him. After hearing this, I'm not so sure.

    Honestly, he should probably just be booted for being an idiot. He's had several chances and this was a dumbass and avoidable one.

    I'm with coach either way on this one, though. I see the justification for allowing to stay as much as I do the justification for kicking him off the team.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Because that's a ridiculously weak offense to get booted off the team for. I realize he's on the thinnest of ice, but driving yourself to probation?

    I think you know it'd be ridiculous when you have MSU fans saying so.

    I think you might be missing the bigger picture.

    It's not the act of driving. It's that he had a set of rules to abide by to show that he could act as a responsible adult whose worthy of being a student at Michigan and playing on the team. He's screwed up and was given a chance to redeem himself. But once again, he came up short.

    I realize he was TRYING to do the responsible thing but he obviously didn't think this thing through. HE CAN'T DRIVE. He's got a suspended license, fergodsake. IMO, it's evidence that he still can't see the forest through the trees. (Of course, this is the dad of 2 teenagers and football coach in me talking.)

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  • Due51 said... (original post)

    I think you might be missing the bigger picture.

    It's not the act of driving. It's that he had a set of rules to abide by to show that he could act as a responsible adult whose worthy of being a student at Michigan and playing on the team. He's screwed up and was given a chance to redeem himself. But once again, he came up short.

    I realize he was TRYING to do the responsible thing but he obviously didn't think this thing through. HE CAN'T DRIVE. He's got a suspended license, fergodsake. IMO, it's evidence that he still can't see the forest through the trees. (Of course, this is the dad of 2 teenagers and football coach in me talking.)

    Oh, I get it. I'm just saying even with an essentially zero tolerance policy it seems ridiculous to drop someone for this.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Oh, I get it. I'm just saying even with an essentially zero tolerance policy it seems ridiculous to drop someone for this.

    I'm not so sure Hoke will drop Stonum. And I don't think Hoke has ever used the term zero tolerance. People are not perfect and all mistakes are not created equal. What Hoke has said is that Stonum needs to do certain things, including satisfying all of his legal/probationary requirements, before he will be considered for reinstatement to the team.

    Also, despite all the hand-wringing and calling for Stonum's head, this is just a traffic ticket. It is no different than a ticket anyone might receive for failing to come to a full stop at a stop sign or for driving with an expired tag on their plates. It is up to Stonum's probation officer and the court to decide how big of a deal this is and whether he should be charged with a violation of his probation. People do things that could potentially violate their probation all the time without serious consequences, and it is very possible that Stonum will just be allowed to pay the fine and complete his probation without anything more than a stern warning from the judge.

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  • Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to see him dismissed for this. If he was driving home or to the store, I'd have a problem with his blatant disregard for the rules. He must have felt he had no choice but to drive to his hearing or face bigger consequences. But I still think he could have found someone on campus who would have given him a ride. Hell, he can have my number. I'll drive up there whenever he needs a ride. BUT DON'T DRIVE DARRYL.

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  • MrWoodson said... (original post)

    I'm not so sure Hoke will drop Stonum. And I don't think Hoke has ever used the term zero tolerance. People are not perfect and all mistakes are not created equal. What Hoke has said is that Stonum needs to do certain things, including satisfying all of his legal/probationary requirements, before he will be considered for reinstatement to the team.

    Also, despite all the hand-wringing and calling for Stonum's head, this is just a traffic ticket. It is no different than a ticket anyone might receive for failing to come to a full stop at a stop sign or for driving with an expired tag on their plates. It is up to Stonum's probation officer and the court to decide how big of a deal this is and whether he should be charged with a violation of his probation. People do things that could potentially violate their probation all the time without serious consequences, and it is very possible that Stonum will just be allowed to pay the fine and complete his probation without anything more than a stern warning from the judge.

    Per rittenberg, Stonum's status has not changed in light of this recent incident.

    AR makes a pretty pithy remark at the end of the article.

    Hoke made the right call there.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • is this the same police station that is over near Zingermans?

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  • I just wanted to add my .02

    It's obvious Stonum wasn't supposed to be driving with the suspended license. I get that. But I think we might have to wait until either the rest of the story comes out, or just let this go altogether. Reasons being are 1) If Stonum were to have missed his probation appointment, he would (more than likely) be facing a HELL of a lot more discipline than just being booted off the UM football team. 2) No one knows if he might have had a ride in place, and the ride flaked out for whatever reason. Sometimes you've gotta make a judgement call. Obviously he knew the risk of driving himself to the appointment. It's also obvious that he felt the appt. was important enough to make a driving exception for.

    At the end of the day .. if it truly was just to go see his P.O. (which I truly believe at this point) then I just cant find any way to fault the kid. No one know what his P.O. is like. No one knows if his P.O. would have violated him for a missed appointment, or for being late ect. I think this is the perfect example of having to let whatever happens take its course.

    Just my .02 though. peace

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  • Due51 said... (original post)

    Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to see him dismissed for this. If he was driving home or to the store, I'd have a problem with his blatant disregard for the rules. He must have felt he had no choice but to drive to his hearing or face bigger consequences. But I still think he could have found someone on campus who would have given him a ride. Hell, he can have my number. I'll drive up there whenever he needs a ride. BUT DON'T DRIVE DARRYL.

    I agree. I'm not making an excuse for his poor decision. If his ride let him down or he woke up late or whatever the reason, all he had to do was call and tell his probation officer he was going to be late and explain why. He shouldn't have driven himself. But it's not like he was out cruising with his posse on a Friday night when he was pulled over. He got up early and drove a few blocks on a revoked license to make a 7am meeting with his probation officer. I can think of far worse things.

  • 10 days in jail...

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    Just leaving 15th District Court in Ann Arbor -- Mich WR Darryl Stonum sentenced 10 days in jail
    22 minutes ago

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    I have to think that he's gone. banghead

  • AnnArbor.com story below...

    http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/darryl-stonum-probation-violation-michigan-football/

    Michigan wide receiver Darryl Stonum was sentenced this morning to 10 days in jail for violating probation on a conviction for operating while visibly impaired second-offense.

    Stonum, 21, was ticketed Thursday morning by Ann Arbor police for driving on a revoked license shortly after he checked in at a probation office in downtown Ann Arbor.

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    Court records indicate Stonum lied to his probation officer prior to being pulled over. Records say when Stonum checked in at the office, he told the officer that a female friend had dropped him off in the area. Stonum admitted to the probation violation in court today in front of Judge Charles Pope. Pope said Stonum will have to convince the court that he can continue in the sobriety court program.

    "Nobody did this to you," Pope told Stonum in 15th District Court. "You did this to yourself." Stonum was led away by officers and taken to a cell.

    Pope said earlier in court today that Stonum has had four alcohol-related encounters with the criminal justice system, which he called "extremely unusual" for someone Stonum's age.

    "The part that's the worst is your deceit about it," Pope said.

    "Trust is the easiest thing to lose, and the hardest thing to regain Darryl, and that's the situation you're in."

    Pope said the court has no record of Stonum attending any 12-step meetings in the past two weeks, which he is required to do. Pope also said Stonum has "yet to pay a dime" for fines and fees he owes for probation. He also told Stonum that he's not eligible to apply for a driver's license.

    Prior to being sentenced, Stonum told Judge Pope that he thought he could drive because he doesn't have any infractions on his Texas driver's license that would prohibit him from driving.

    Michigan coach Brady Hoke said Thursday afternoon there has been no change in Stonum's status. Stonum, who is from Stafford, Texas, redshirted this season to deal with his legal issues.

    "Until we know everything, it hasn’t changed," Hoke said Thursday at a previously scheduled season wrap-up news conference. When asked if he was concerned about Stonum's decision-making, Hoke simply replied, "No."

    Stonum was Michigan's second-leading receiver in the 2010 season with 49 catches for 633 yards and four touchdowns.

    Stonum is scheduled to return to court Jan. 20.

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    Guts and Glue (of the Maize & Blue)... a phrase that Bob Ufer used all the time to describe Ricky Leach.

  • That's interesting. Looks like he maybe gone. We still have Roundtree, Gallon and others coming back. It will be a lose for sure though.

  • xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    That's interesting. Looks like he maybe gone. We still have Roundtree, Gallon and others coming back. It will be a lose for sure though.

    Kick him to the curb. Take another WR this year to make up for it!

  • Ducksworth

    SuhOwnsYou said... (original post)

    Kick him to the curb. Take another WR this year to make up for it!

    This is where not contacting Arnett could come back to bite us.

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  • xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    That's interesting. Looks like he maybe gone. We still have Roundtree, Gallon and others coming back. It will be a lose for sure though.

    Still, Hoke's quotes at the end seem to indicate that he's not gone, at least not yet. I suspect Hoke will meet with Stonum soon and figure out the next step.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Ducksworth said... (original post)

    This is where not contacting Arnett could come back to bite us.

    If you read Arnett's quotes, I don't think UM had a legit shot even if they had reached out. I'm not trying to flame, but he basically said he didn't even consider another school outside of MSU.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Ducksworth

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    If you read Arnett's quotes, I don't think UM had a legit shot even if they had reached out. I'm not trying to flame, but he basically said he didn't even consider another school outside of MSU.

    He also wasn't contacted by any school other than MSU. I know it's a crazy thing to believe, but MAYBE he's saying things to MSU reporters to put MSU in a better light because he's going there. If Michigan would've reached out, I'm sure he would've at least listened. I'm not saying anything would've changed but he would've considered them. Don't kid yourself.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    If you read Arnett's quotes, I don't think UM had a legit shot even if they had reached out. I'm not trying to flame, but he basically said he didn't even consider another school outside of MSU.

    Come on Rocky, what do you expect him to say? "I reached out to Michigan and MSU and really couldn't decide which one I wanted more, but I ended up choosing MSU. Hopefully I don't regret my decision down the road." No chance he would say anything publicly other than that he's all Spartan. All that matters is he's at MSU now, and so the best statement he can make is that it's where he always wanted to be, which very well could be the case, but he didn't want to be at Michigan OR MSU less than a year ago, so not like he can really claim either were his dream school.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Still, Hoke's quotes at the end seem to indicate that he's not gone, at least not yet. I suspect Hoke will meet with Stonum soon and figure out the next step.

    Hoke's quotes are from yesterday, before he was sent to jail for 10 days and was reported to not have shown up recently to any of the 10 or 12 step programs that he required to go to. Not good.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Still, Hoke's quotes at the end seem to indicate that he's not gone, at least not yet. I suspect Hoke will meet with Stonum soon and figure out the next step.

    He's gone.

  • xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    Hoke's quotes are from yesterday, before he was sent to jail for 10 days and was reported to not have shown up recently to any of the 10 or 12 step programs that he required to go to. Not good.

    The exact article, I believe, stated he hadn't been to any of the required 12-step program meetings in the last 2 weeks. Those last 2 weeks though were kids at home (Texas in his case) for the holidays, and then flying to New Orleans for bowl week. So it's possible he did attend a local one and the Michigan court just didn't have a record of it.

    This definitely looks bad for Stonum, but the staff knows much more about the situation than we do, and the court isn't going to care that he was in Texas or New Orleans for a couple weeks when making their decision, so it's possible they would be less lenient on him than the coaches who are much closer to the situation.

  • Dizzo said... (original post)

    The exact article, I believe, stated he hadn't been to any of the required 12-step program meetings in the last 2 weeks. Those last 2 weeks though were kids at home (Texas in his case) for the holidays, and then flying to New Orleans for bowl week. So it's possible he did attend a local one and the Michigan court just didn't have a record of it.

    This definitely looks bad for Stonum, but the staff knows much more about the situation than we do, and the court isn't going to care that he was in Texas or New Orleans for a couple weeks when making their decision, so it's possible they would be less lenient on him than the coaches who are much closer to the situation.

    You leave the state to miss the required 12-step program meetings, you better be telling the court before hand. He was on to thin of ice to let things slide and think they would be ok. The kid lied to his probation officer that morning also, he isn't taking this serious. shrug

  • xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    Hoke's quotes are from yesterday, before he was sent to jail for 10 days and was reported to not have shown up recently to any of the 10 or 12 step programs that he required to go to. Not good.

    Ahh, I see. That looks a lot worse than just driving yourself to a probation meeting. I was under the assumption he had done everything else asked of him.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.