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I think it's more the fact that Michigan didn't throw the ball to the RBs very much.
Nobody said Toussaint is a potential Heisman finalist. Keep making shit up though. However, we have proven that based on past results, Toussaint is a better runner than Bell is.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
We might not have to wait long.
Rumor has it that ARW is very high on NFL scouts' radars. Obviously, the draft is a very long ways away and being on a watch list doesn't mean much of anything. But it at least validates that the concept isn't laughable as you would make it seem.
Hey, I'm putting him on my ballot.
MSU had 2 DL in the last class, one of which was a 2 star. According to cope, MSU is only looking for 1 DT this class and 1-2 DL next year. That would make 5 DL in 3 years. MSU can't maintain a good DL with that type of recruiting.
I prefer 247, so I'll discuss those rankings (obviously, this won't apply to comparisons predating 2011).
MSU's average rating by year:
While the improvement is only marginal, it is definitely not going down.
Concerning the OL/DL recruits remaining for 2013, the following are some recruits that MSU has a shot at:
Josh Augusta, DT, 92-rating; MSU is in his top 4
Riley Norman, OT, 92-rating; if he plays football, it will be at MSU
Richy Klepal, OT, 89-rating; MSU is in his top 8 officially, but might actually be in his top 2 or 3
Caleb Benenoch, OG, 88-rating; a commitment looks unlikely, but he's planning on taking an official to MSU (the only one of his top 5 that he has not yet visited, I believe)
Alec James, DE, 88-rating; though he reportedly favors Wisconsin, MSU is rumored to be a close 2nd
Kyle Meadows, OT, 86-rating, MSU has a good shot with him unless Tennessee or OSU offer
Dennis Finley, OT, 84-rating; his sister and cousin attend MSU, and MSU is also in his top 4 I believe.
With the exception of Finley, every player on that list will improve MSU's rating average for the 2013 class, and Finley is fairly likely candidate to improve his rating based on the schools that are considering offering him.
Is it ideal? No. Is it the disaster that this board likes to pretend it is? Not that either. It's strikingly similar to just about every one of Dantonio's classes on the lines. Except for the occasional outlier, it's a pretty 'average-rated' group.
MSU took 7 DL in 2011. Subtracting 1 transfer, and adding another.
MSU is taking 1 DL in 2012. 2 of 3 potential players will likely switch from LB/TE to DE.
MSU is likely taking 3-4 DL in 2013. (FYI, Devyn Salmon, a 77-rated 2* has evidently changed his facebook status to say he's going to MSU)
MSU will likely take 2-4 DL in 2014.
I anticipate that 3-5 will probably be the normalized rate, once we get past the overpopulated 2011 class. Also of note is that MSU is currently at, or near, the top of Kyle Peko's list. Peko is a JuCo transfer for the 2013 class, however he would have 3 years to play 2, so he is effectively a part of the 2012 class.
And I completely agree that having 5 DL in 3 combined classes would be grossly unacceptable.
Why did you leave the 77-rated 2* out of your previous post?
You're a dense one. Ask for something, we show you the facts, and you twist it to fit your agenda.
You ask for how many 3* kids Hoke takes a year, we show that it is running at a 10-11 per year. You twist that into only 1-2 are low 3* kids. (That is without getting into MSU claim of "Michigan Bump" that Butte pointed out)
Under RichRod Michigan was able to take about 4 kids a year with MSU offers, Hoke has come in and is taking about 11 kids a year with MSU offers. You turn a blind eye to that and twist it into Hoke wouldn't have looked at MSU commits because they are rated to low.
I didn't really believe that RichRod had an effect on MSU talent, until this little exercise. With showing that Michigan traditionally went after the same recruits as MSU and then RichRod going away from that which opened the door for MSU to grab talent they didn't get before, proves that MSU's recent rise is because of RichRod. Thanks for showing us this and that Hoke is turning it back around.
Stopped reading right there. You still don't get it.
The '09 class was an "outlier" on paper. Period.
Just curious...when you look at the impact of players drafted in the NFL, do you just use the grades that Mel Kiper gives out the day after the draft?
His play on the field is relevant. Do you not understand how silly it is NOT to look at what players do on the field (when you talk about recruiting classes)?
You honestly can't go back and compare classes? And say maybe that a class was overrated on underrated? Based on what players do on the field?
And...that's all that matters of course.
I wonder what they saw in the kid? Name sounds familiar...
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
Ah yes because it's crazy talk to think MSU can go to a Rose Bowl or two (considering they've played their last game to go to the Rose Bowl in 3 of the last 4 years), but it's perfectly normal for UM fans to talk about the National Title game with 1 NT in 60 years..
Yea, it has been 15 years since Michigan played for and won a Natty. Around 25 years since MSU played in a Rose Bowl.
Which team has played in multiple BCS bowls since then and which team has never played in a BCS bowl?
Crazy talk, got it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it just seems that you guys can't seem to get over that hump no matter how much of a force in the conference you guys become. Do you think you'll make the Rose Bowl this year, no flame, just curious because I've seen some lists with either of our teams winning the conference.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Oh, and what was it you said the other day, if your aunt had a dick she would be your uncle...
I like how MSU fans talk about our history and then accuse us of living in the past. lol, we won one 15 years ago! I think we have a better point saying that we will go to the NCG than you guys talking about how you'll go to the Rose Bowl.
It isn't an easy hump to get over, to be sure.
I do think that MSU will go to the Rose Bowl this year. Ultimately, with MSU playing Nebraska at home, I think it will come down to the MSU-UM game for the division. As I think MSU is still built in a way that might tend to give UM some problems (until Hoke can get his personnel fully ingrained), I believe MSU will win that game. When it comes to playing the Leaders champ, I'm really not worried about that. Wisconsin seems to me to be the only legit threat over there this year, and it is very hard to beat a team twice in one season (I think MSU will lose @Wis).
Now, obviously getting to the Rose Bowl is going to be increasingly difficult as UM re-strengthens itself and b/c OSU will normally be eligible. I also think PSU will be strong in the coming years, and I refuse to stop believing in Pat Fitzgerald. So this might be MSU's chance at a yellow brick road, we'll see.
We have an easy 2013 schedule as well. We play no difficult teams on the road that year.
even though it's a pointless argument...
Does playing the final game of the season for a chance to go to the Rose Bowl 3 out of the past 4 years count for anything?
I guess in looking at it, I view achieving a goal 15 years ago as fairly similar to a goal achieved 20 years ago, especially in the college football realm, because we both look like idiots when we haven't achieved our goals in that many years.
That's fine- and a BCS game really means 0 when it comes to a National Title game.
This was started when the OP talked about why MSU's recruiting hasn't increased simply because of the 2 b2b 11 win seasons- I wasn't trying to predict two Rose Bowls in the next 2-3 years for MSU, was just making a point that until MSU can get to the Rose Bowl and continue to compete and, on occasion, beat some of the better teams in the nation, MSU's recruiting won't go to that next level.
But if I'm asked which one comes first a NT for UM or a Rose Bowl berth for MSU- not sure even UM fans wouldn't agree, it'll most likely be the MSU Rose bowl
Not sure those are walks in the park...
You play @ 3 B1G stadiums that you haven't won at in 5+ years...
Well said, we're clearly going to have confidence in our respective teams, that's just the fan in every one of us but you make some solid points. I just think Hoke gets us over the hump this season and we stop your win streak over us. I do believe that whoever wins our division will have at least 2-3 losses, though. I'm not looking forward to playing USC or Oregon in the Rose Bowl if we get that far, those are bad matchups for Michigan and Michigan State.
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