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How do we know what a Borges-run offense with Borges players will look like compared to a Borges-run offense with Rich-Rod players? I'd like to see how that offense would look, combined with the fact that we SHOULD be able to hold onto the ball longer (leading to more time and plays on offense for a bigger sample size) due to Shoelace no longer being here throwing almost as many int's as td's.
Unless there is a key injury, 10. The only two toss up’s I see on the schedule are ND and OSU. MSU’s O most likely will be worse, Nebraska is overrated, PSU will most likely be starting a true FR at QB, and NW doesn't have a true home field advantage.
Outside of a couple of games (see: Iowa 2011) Borges has been very creative with this offense and the fact that he was willing to learn an offense unlike anything he had ever run sure seems like an ability to adjust to me. All coaches have tendencies that they fall back on when they are put in uncomfortable situations, it just so happens that Borges was frequently put out of his comfort zone with Denard as QB. Many of Borges' best called games, excluding the 2nd half of OSU were when Gardner was QB.
I agree with others who have stated that Borges should get an INC grade; let's see what he can do with his own players/players that better fit his system.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
10 wins or more or I will be disappointed.
In terms of Hoke on the hot seat, that's not even worth talking about. His quote "Michigan is an elite program, it will continue to be an elite program", and well, you know what comes next.... Hoke believes it to his core, and for almost 3 years now he has gone around the country and made the best high schoolers in the nation believe it too. The best are coming to Ann Arbor, and the college football landscape is going to change.
And while he is assembling his core of hard-nosed bruisers, he has spent the meantime giving us a BCS victory, Greg Mattison, and a wins over OSU and MSU that were long overdue. The worst thing since he got here was one subpar 8-5 season, which is still as good as anything Rich Rod produced. And let's face it, that 8-5 season was still a fun season to watch. Lots of close hard-fought games that made me proud of our team.
I can't wait for this fall to get here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Disagree. While having Molk in 2012 would have probably improved the run game, and thus the overall efficency of the offense, it still doesn't affect the batcrap crazy things Borges does (and did in 2011 WITH Molk as well) like: rolling out Denard constantly when he's never shown an ability to throw on the run (no less with a defender bearing down on him), or never throw a wide open bubble, or make alignments with a covered (and thus ineligable!!) slot reciever, or always throw play action when under center on second and short (which fools no one), or obviously tip run/pass with WR substitutions, or have passing routes that are never less than like 30 yards when Denard is your QB, or never actually pulling a lineman during a play action pass to make it believeable (this may not be epidemic, but I have noticed it several times in key games). These things show inflexibility, uncreativeness, stubborness, arrogance and/or poor personal evaluations and gameplanning. Those are signs of much bigger problems than just having a bad center or interior OL.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MercuryHayes 8 months ago
I'm going to go through this point by point.
1) "rolling out Denard constantly when he's never shown an ability to throw on the run (no less with a defender bearing down on him)"
2) "never throw a wide open bubble"
The effectiveness of the bubble is determined in defensive alignment, so it is often called as an audible. Correct me if I'm wrong but Denard didn't have the ability to audible himself (and under RR, RR made the checks as well) and so the bubble was not utilized. Maybe I'm being generous, but that seems like a valid reason to avoid the bubble screen to me.
3) "make alignments with a covered (and thus ineligable!!) slot reciever"
4) "always throw play action when under center on second and short (which fools no one)"
This seems to be an issue, but I believe that it is caused by the lack of an effective ground game, sans Denard, that would cause defenses to cheat up.
5) "or obviously tip run/pass with WR substitutions"
This is indicative of poor WR depth. Either he didn't have WR's who could both run block and be viable pass threats or he needed to get tired players off the field and couldn't pass with the backups.
6) "or have passing routes that are never less than like 30 yards when Denard is your QB"
7) "or never actually pulling a lineman during a play action pass to make it believeable"
It's well documented that the interior OL was generally inept in regards to pulling, pulling on a play action could have resulted in free shots at Denard.
Overall it looks like, to me at least, most of Borges' issues drive from personnel that doesn't match his offensive tendencies. Obviously this doesn't cover all of his faults, but to write him off already seems preemptive.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Never Lose Hoke 8 months ago
I love that there are only a few weeks until all the Borges haters (read:mlivers) eat their words. Humble pie served piping hot.
This post was edited by DJNiteFlite 8 months ago
Nobody on this board can define the word regression.... but it sure gets used a lot.
I have praised and criticized Al Borges during his first 2 years as Michigan's OC while keeping in mind that he did not have everything he needed.
But starting in 2013, I will ruthlessly scrutinize his decisions because this is the first year where he should have the pieces he needs to run his offense.
- A talented upperclassman QB who should excel as a passer? Check
- A potentially dominant OLine? Check
- Competent RBs? Check
- Good group of WRs and TEs? Check
I'm interested to see if Michigan actually uses the pistol formation as the base to run the WCO/GCO.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Frank C 8 months ago
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Borges said today that Michigan will not utilize the pistol. Raise your hand if you believe that? Sneaky Borges..
B1GCG or the season is a disappointment.
Hopefully he’s just trolling. There is no such thing as the “pistol offense”. It’s a formation not a scheme, and I’m sure he knows that.
I'll accept 14 wins
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
Not that my opinion really matters to any of you guys but I'm not sure anybody will really know what kind of team you have until you play at Penn State. I think everything plays into your favor playing Notre Dame at home with their original quarterback suspended for the year. I think Mattison will utilize the blitz as much as he can since there really isn't much of a threat for their quarterback to run. I think you beat Notre Dame by no less than 10. I'm also guessing that that game is at night which obviously doesn't hurt. the schedule on this site shows that it still to be announced so it's either 330 or 8 p.m.
Penn State is something completely different though. You'll be playing there for your first real away game of the season. I'm not going to count Connecticut as your first real road test. I would have to imagine if both teams are doing well that this will definitely be their white out game of the season and at night.
Michigan State last year was just so lackluster I really don't have any confidence in them whatsoever. Their defense took many steps back and they're offense was abysmal.
I have you losing one of the games between either Northwestern or Nebraska. I really don't have a whole lot of confidence in Nebraska because their defense is just hilarious. I would have to say northwestern has the best chance to do damage simply because of what should have happened last year until that hail mary at the end of the game.
Going off of all that and the games that you definitely should win I have you at 10 wins before The Game and that's all I'm going to say about that.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Holtz 8 months ago
Really the only thing about the post was, "If we go 8-4 but beat OSU and ND." If we beat OSU and ND, I think you can chalk up double digits easily. I think we should get to that number anyway, especially if DG stays healthy. Year three is always the big one for new coaches. No reason to think BH is going to stray away from his history of building up teams. He is surrounded by more talent than he has ever had and about 6-7 of these games are against the same caliber teams he faced in his prior stints.
9 is what I expect.
10 would be a very good year.
8 would be a minor disappointment.
We still don't have the combination of athleticism and experience we need to be a true contender IMO. I think 2014 will be the breakout year assuming Devin stays.
People are making this question too difficult. At the end of the year does it really matter who you lost to? A loss is a loss and a win is a win. With the way we have been recruiting it's time for the results to start showing these next two seasons. If we lose to Ohio State and Notre Dame we can't make an excuse of "Well those are the best teams we have played", if we want to become an elite program again we have to beat the best. So all in all anything under 10 wins is unacceptable and he should be feeling some pressure.
Hoke said himself that our goal is to win the Big Ten. Well if we don't make it this year that's 0/3 on just making the game. So in his own words he would have come up short of his goal. Save me the Michigan Man, good will, great guy thing. Let's win championships.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Aces High 8 months ago
You are vastly underestimating the ND defensive line. Those are almost all NFL guys. I'm very concerned and I think most M fans would agree. I certainly expect/hope to win.... but I think it will go right down to the wire... yet again.
I agree 100%.
ND's defense shouldn't be overlooked this season. A stout D-Line will make the battle in the trenches very interesting.
I am curious to see just what Reese will do now that it appears he has the offense solely to himself this season.
With all of that said, I am expecting a Michigan victory in week 2. After all, Notre Dame won't have Te'o's girlfriend showing them where to line up before every snap.
As for OP's question: I expect a 10 win season. I have a feeling this defense is going to really surprise people and shut down good teams this year. Good mix of speed and size, couple that with one of the best DC's in the game and you have something special.
Lets be honest though, if Gardner makes strides this year, it isn't unimaginable for Michigan to go 12-0. I truly believe that we have the personel and the coaches to do it. Just imagine what could happen in the next few years!
I know one thing is for sure... I can't wait for the 31st!
This post was edited by B1G Winning 8 months ago
Depending on health issues of players and how well they come along in spring practices.
Everyone healthy all season..... I would say 9 wins is a good expectation
We lose a Devin..... well then that's an entirely different number and the season would be up in the air.. GOD I'm that this does not happen!
ND's line is good, no doubt. However, all offensive game plans should be built w/consideration of their strongest unit. If it's a DL that seems to come hard on every play instead of read and react, you attack their aggressiveness. If it's a read and react, you can get positive yardage by utilizing that extra second to set up passes 7 yds downfield, etc. At this point, ND talent and UM's are almost the same with ND having an upper hand in the experience level. With that said, and w/o DR's 6 turnovers, it's hard for me not to imagine us putting up at least 21 on them last season. I think Borges is still the ? on our staff. Damn, I hope he proves me wrong. He does some good things, but has a tendency to get away from them just as quickly as they prove to be working. Don't change until they stop you has not become a piece of coaching 101 simply because it's catchy.
Zero...lol just in good fun. Seriously 1 loss. Its back to the big 2. We really need the conf to start stepping up cough Iowa cough.
Obviously, this is a pretty subjective question, but I think 9 wins is the base for me. However, the most important thing for me is that we are competitive in EVERY game. If we are close in every game and we only end up winning 8 or 9 regular season games, I'm alright with it given the team's youth. I would definitely be disappointed if Michigan doesn't win at least 9 games, but as long as you can see progress on the field.
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Problem with this is that 2014 has ND, MSU, and OSU all on the road again. All the rivals. All on the road. This is the year to make noise.
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