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It is not known how teams react the first game of the year, but it seems as if we have a big disadvantage with our defensive front and their OL. If the 4-3 isn't working early in the game, how about putting 5 on the line, 3 LBs, and 3 DBs. I'd rather take my chances against their receivers with our corners on islands since they are a strength of the team, but I do not want to see Bama run it down our throats. Your thoughts?
We are college football
Generally the formation run with 5 defensive linemen is the 5-2 Monster where you sacrifice a linebacker instead of a safety.
We actually ran this a couple times last year, against MSU there were a couple when we backed them up in their own 20 I think.
It allows for no double teams on defensive linemen and my guess is we could run it but that would put Pipkins on the field as you generally go with 3 DTs as they lineup man to man with each guard and the center.
We will do it from time to time but I think we stick with our 4-3 Under which allows more blitz possibilities.
"Isn't it amazing what somebody will do when he can't bunt." - Vin Scully
I'd think our team would fit better in a 4-4 basically where you've got 4 DL, 4 LBs (two of which are lined up outside the TE and could be blitzing), 2 CBs, and a safety in the middle, if you wanted to achieve that same goal.
Problem with that would be it doesn't fit our personnel. Jordan Kovacs is great, but he does not have the athleticism to be the only deep safety. Thomas Gordon doesn't have the speed/size to be that guy, and Marvin doesn't have the experience or shown the football IQ to be that guy, and Jarrod Wilson is a true freshman.
The package you'll see on Saturday from the Michigan defense on 1st and 2nd down is going to be their standard 4-3 under where the SAM (Jake Ryan / Cam Gordon) are at the line of scrimmage. On passing downs it will go to a Nickel with likely two LBs who can cover (Hawthorne / Gordon?), an extra DB (Avery), and then the DL will feature more pass rushers (Ryan / Campbell / Black / Roh, with Beyer, Ojemudia, and others seeing time too).
This post was edited by Dizzo 23 months ago
Exactly, our four three under is really similar to that. It's essentially having another guy on the line. But its more versatile because the linebacker can blitz OR drop into coverage. Now before you say anything, I realize lineman drip into coverage , but the linebackers actually cover!
I forgot what game it was, but Mattison deployed the "bear" defense, which is essentially a 5-2 with the rush LB, Jake Ryan, with his hand in the ground.
If Kovacs walks down into the box, it would basically look like a 5-3 without having to sub... and I think we'll see a lot of that.
That is the difference between Gerg and Mattison. Gerg failed to make the adjustments needed to win the games and Mattison is always changing up schemes.
5-2 becomes tough when a team can create mismatches in the passing game when a tight end is in the game. Basically, if you went with a 2 tight ends, one back, and 2 receivers it leaves a lot of guys in man coverage, and if the backers drop into zone, there aren't enough players to cover the whole field. Hard to do against a good QB. But very effective at stopping the run because of the gap control
Ha. This makes me think of all the plays last year where Mike Martin dropped into coverage. I think the average yards per play on those was somewhere around 10-15. You'd either see him backpeddling as a RB ran right by him, or a pass go to a guy he couldn't cover.
I can never figure out why lineman drop into coverage. The only good I've ever seen from it is a batted down pass.
Catches the QB off-guard a lot of times because you don't expect it and just puts another body in passing lanes/coverage that you have to account for. A pass batted down is always good. I've seen quite a few interceptions by DL dropping into coverage at every level.
This post was edited by Clint Brewster 23 months ago
In response to clint:
No I get it. But the odds if him batting one down or being in Exactly the right place is not often.
Imho its less effective as him actually applying pressure. I understand what its designed to do....but i also have nightmares of roh dropping into coverage 10 times a game to literally effect nothing.
Hoover for msu was effective a few times last year but he is 6'8" with a huge wingspan. It needs to be deployed rarely by us unless you have a freak who can run and tackle in space.
This post was edited by kylebennett7127 23 months ago
Good point. I definitely don't think it's effective when teams do it on a regular basis. I feel like it only works when you catch the opposing Qb off-guard.
Twice a game in passing down on shirt to medium distance. That's about it in my opinion. But then again if I knew it all.....I would be a DC.
Thanks for chiming in clint!
Anytime! Man I'm really getting jacked for Saturday! Can't wait to to see what Michigan's got this season.
The difference brtween a 3-4, 4-3under and a 5 man front are so overrated around here. Theu are all basicly the same thing and we would use the same personnel. You want to add a lb then you are taking out Kovacs and putting in Bolden. Not sure I like that idea.
Regardless of the defensive formation, Michigan will have to have 8 men in the box to stop bamas ground game period. Couple that with a Mattison inspired exotic blitz package.
The difference is only in the personnel that's on the field.
If it's Jake Ryan, Will Campbell, Jibreel Black, Craig Roh on the DL w/ Morgan, Demens, and Cam Gordon then you're right who cares if it's a 4-3 or a 3-4 because it really is the same thing at that point.
If it's Black, Campbell, Washington, Ash, and Roh, then I think the intent would be vastly different and would warrant the distinction of a 5 man front. Just my opinion though..
Thats called a goalline defense.
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