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What does Hoke do?
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He doesn't wear any sweatshirts, hoodies nor mofo jackets. He's the real deal.
I wasn't referring to the apparel he wears during the game...
Lets look around and see if we can find a QB for UW. Who is a senior with a year left and we'll talk. I got my birddogs out
I dream of a day when chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.
He oversees practice and probably tells the DL to use their hands more
Laughable, just like the thought of Te'o winning the Heisman.
Watch him win it...
Just make sure you come back here to eat your crow after Manziel wins.
If Manziel wins then they had better change the mission statement for the award and just start calling it an offensive award and cut to the chase
This post was edited by IrishImpact 19 months ago
Didn't say anything about conf. out right titles, OSU did quite well some years heading into the Mich game is all I was alluding to. The few NW years you have listed were good for them but they didn't have OSU on their schedule. Mich owned OSU in the 90's, but they had some great teams with a pretty good back named EDDY! 96 and 98 were yrs where OSU was tied with someone not scheduled! So 8 total yrs involvong OSU and Mich I would still say is pretty dominant! Also in the yrs 92,95 and 97 OSU finished 2nd! So if you are gonna crunch #'s, use all of them! Thats 3 shares and 3 2nd's in 10 yrs. top 2 6 out of 10 is pretty good. Mich and OSU together did dominate the 90's, which is what the original poster said!
Teo is ranked 51st in the Nation in tackles, has never forced a fumble... but you want him to win on the inspiration factor?
Manziel has more total yards than Newton or Tebow when they won their Heismans.
Just sayin...if the Heisman award is what they say it is, I don't know how Te'o can be left out of that conversation. He's been the backbone of a 12-0 football team thats proved itself week in and week out throughout the entire season.
This has been largely true for 6 decades...why are you surprised?.
I don't think T'eo should be left out. He is a fantastic player. I think the problem this year is it is not a very exciting class. Manziell winning as a Freshman should tell you that. Furthermore, T'eo is not, IMHO, the best defensive player in the country, and an argument can easily be made Manziell is not the best offensive player in the country.
This post was edited by neoavatara 19 months ago
Not statistically no. But they also see that 12-0 record and #1 ranking and in the title game.
Wouldn't be more egregious than when Mark Ingram beat out Ndamukong Suh.
Suh wasn't on a #1 12-0 team headed to play for the national title either. So there's that...
Last I checked, the Heisman was for the best player in college football, not the best team.
Or should Trent Richardson have won it over RGIII?
He doesn't turn purple on the sidelines cursing out his players on national TV, if that's what you mean.
And last I checked they also take a look at the record for the team the guy plays on?
You could be the best player in the country but if your team goes 0-12 sorry but they won't even look at you.
Wow that was like...over 2 years ago. Get with the times.
I think we're all a little naive if we think Nebraska, mSu, and Wisconsin won't have a say in the matter. Sure Michigan and tUoOS will out-recruit the other teams in the league, but there's still a matter of traveling to these other stadiums and...you know....actually PLAYING the games.
The problem is simple...we are not picking the best player in college football.
Even the Irish argument doesn't make sense if that is the argument...is T'eo the best player in football? I think not. I don't think Manziell is either. Neither will be top 3 picks in the NFL for one. If it were for the best player, Suh would have easily won. If it is simply the best players, then Jarvis Jones of Georgia at least deserves to be in the conversation as well.
OK, so are we going to pick the best player on the best team? Well, if you are only going to pick from the #1 team, fine. But I would argue Lacy is a better player than anyone else between Bama and ND. I could make a few other arguments. If you include the top 10 teams, then it gets more interesting.
The problem is simple: this is a political process, not a scientific one. And the voters prefer offensive players on the best teams. That seems to be the decades long trend.
I guarantee you no matter who wins, a lot of people will be unhappy.
This so incredibly ironic coming from a ND fan.
Paul Hornung says
I think the point is that record shouldn't matter.
You seem to be flipping which side you're on. You take for granted that they take team record into account without question, but then demand that they focus on defenders instead of giving it to offensive players. Can't have it both ways.
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