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Upset isn't the right way to describe it. More like, finding your comment comical. I don't think RR's time there was dirty, I was using that as an example of how you sound. Keep going, its truly hilarious!
Not sure what you are finding hilarious. Tressel lied. He no longer is trustworthy. I have every reason to believe he was dirty.
This post was edited by WillyWolverine 20 months ago
I have a 12-year old daughter. You guys are being way too cruel to each other!
That's fine. At the end of the day, you're just making excuses for the last ten years. Hence my 12 year old girl comment.
So when Tressel was having football 101 classes which are illegal, was that not extra practice time? At least our players weren't receiving grades for practice. From what I've heard everyone in that class was a football player and of course they all passed with flying colors.
No. You made that connection. I never one time said anything about it having anything to do with if Michigan would of won or lost. I just said Tressel was dirty. Great game day coach but dirty.
You're right! My mistake on the false connection. Carry on...
You're implying that average athletes anywhere are going to be a valedictorians. They aren't. It happens at every large competitive school. They have to go to study tables every other day for algebra 1, I know people that tutor football players, they struggle with stuff I did in 8th grade (the school I'm referring to here isn't OSU btw). But I'm sure all Michigan football players are studying to be engineers and doctors, right?
I never said that they were all Harvard students, I only said Craig Krenzel was. He most definitely earned his grades, you can tell just by listening to the man speak on BTN. The guy could be making 6 figures in science research if he didn't get into commentary for a bit.
I get it's a rivalry and I like playful trash talk like the rest of them, but implying that the other school has horrific academics and is unethical about grades is not cool. A young man's education is FAR more important than X's and O's, wins and losses. I see this attitude everywhere. Where a rival school implies that the other school doesn't value education. If you believe that's true, that's a USA problem, not a OSU problem.
"So when Tressel was having football 101 classes which are illegal, was that not extra practice time? At least our players weren't receiving grades for practice. From what I've heard everyone in that class was a football player and of course they all passed with flying colors."
Source? I'm not calling you a liar, but I've heard similar stories that were just allegations made by some random person that gained some momentum by people just believing it. And I just did a journey through the depths of Google and came up with nothing.
This post was edited by JStan12 20 months ago
Perhaps all you UM fans who think Tressel had a football class for his players and consider it "illegal and extra practice time" should read this link...http://www.thelantern.com/campus/it-s-buckeye-time-in-tressel-taught-class-1.1834177#.UK7JyYc8CSo
If you don't want to read the whole thing, here is a copy paste for you: "Thaddeus Gibson, who played for the Buckeyes from 2007-09, was the only football player that took the class in 2009. No football players took the class in 2010."
Before you start blabbing a bunch of nonsense, please make sure you know what you're talking about...
A Buckeye Fan
OSU fans are always in denial about Tress. The man had a history of cheating. But in the end, I really don't care. Let OSU be and do what they want to do. I am only concerned with Michigan and how we do. I am a proud alum and am thankful that I am part of a university that I truly respect on and off-the-field.
Read paragraphs 6-8. My favorite part is how these athletes can continue to take this course up to 5 times receiving 2 credits per. I will apologize for the extra practice time comment since it's a one time course but this seems to be awfully helpful in keeping athletes eligible.
The reason this just went away was because so many schools were getting away with it. Although it makes you wonder if this is just a part of why Tressel was punished so harshly by the NCAA.
Hahahahahahaha... I am still trying to make heads or tails of what you were trying to say.... Hahahahaha... Must be a Browneye graduate
Another dumbass comment from a ohio graduate, or fan who never amounted to anything except delivering pizzas and living in mom's basement.
I'm not going to say you're wrong, but think about the context, this is a Michigan forum and a bunch of your half-braindead compadres come here to talk crap. Do you think a fair appraisal of the facts at hand is going to be a major priority.
The important thing about Tressel and Michigan is that since 2002 Michigan has become an also-ran in the BCS and especially the national championship race while Ohio State has been in the thick of it most years and will continue to do so under Urban. Hate all you want but deep down Michigan fans know their program is now second-rate and that is due in part to Tressel's dominance. Tressel lying to the NCAA and Pryor and company getting some free tats didn't do anything for them on the field.
The important thing to remember about Tressel and Ohio is that your school can't go to the CCG or a bowl game this year. Also your program under Tressel will always have that black mark as a dirty program while Tressel was there. Nobody outside of Ohio respects what Ohio was while Tressel was there.
Eh if we are entirely honest, Michigan hasn't really been in the "thick of it" (meaning the NC race) most seasons since 1980. And that had little to do with Tressel or OSU even.
Michigan has entered the OSU game with only 1 game not won just 6 times in these 33 years. Michigan won the OSU game in 1986, 1989, 1991 and 1997, Michigan lost in 2004 and 2006. The wins still only led to one national championship in 1997 because of the contexts of the games: in 1986 the championship was decided between undefeated Miami and Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl, in 1989 Michigan lost the Rose Bowl to USC and otherwise may have had a small shot at a share of the title, in 1991 Michigan again had one loss and there were two undefeated teams, one of whom was Washington to whom Michigan lost in the Rose Bowl. In those late 80s/early 90s years Notre Dame and the Pac-10 were the main obstacles in Michigan's way.
Of course, the only Tressel defeat that actually really hurt Michigan's national chances was 2006 though Michigan's toothlessness vs. USC in the following Rose Bowl obviously makes you question whether Michigan would have had a chance in a BCS title game either. In 2004 Michigan was a one loss team heading into the game but as we all remember that was the year of the three undefeateds, USC, OU and Auburn. Michigan wasn't even the highest ranked one loss team as Texas as well as the "flavors of the day" Louisville and Cal were ahead of Michigan. Michigan probably jumps them if they beat OSU only to be stuck at #4 of the BCS regardless.
In other words, OSU (and Tressel) hurt Michigan's BCS title relevance exactly *one* season in the last 33 years and even in that year Michigan ended up losing another game. But let's just say one out of Tressel's 9 victories mattered in that regard. Most seasons Michigan was hurt by its tendency to lose 2-3 games early on which made Michigan a ranked and "good" team but by no means a contender heading into the OSU game - i.e. just like this year.
I'm not gonna deny that Tressel "owning" Michigan hurt Michigan football, for one it was a major factor that helped spark the maelstrom of 2007-2010 though Appalachian State played a pretty major role in that, too. But also it obviously cost the team prestige. It did not however really cost Michigan much in terms of BCS title relevance or even actual national titles. Ohio State was doubtlessly more often relevant late in the season the last 10 years or so, but at the end of the day, of course, OSU has just one national title in the last 40 years just like we do.
And I might add, the coach who won ours did not end up being fired for being dirty and getting caught up in scandals.
OSU still embraces Tressel, which shouldn't be shocking given that PSU still embraces Paterno who admittedly did worse than Tressel, but it still doesn't exactly reflect positively on the OSU community and fanbase. Tressel was only removed to temper the wrath of the NCAA, otherwise what he did is still considered nothing by Buckeyes.
By the way I always found the most interesting detail in the whole "tattoo" scandal that various OSU players were cavorting with crime figures (drug dealers) and accepting favors from them, cutting deals with them. It's basically common sense that we only ever found out about the tip of the iceberg there. The fact Tressel tried to cover that part up as well tends to be forgotten in the OSU narrative - or what it says about institutional control that major players of the football team are getting caught up in organized crime connections.
This post was edited by UMSkeletor 20 months ago
The word integrity says your wrong
Mods lock the thread, the vagina-hurt in the buckeyes is strong in this one.
Free tats for the first 10,000 fans who enter the stadium?
I always hear this from Ann Arbor Community College (henceforth AACC) fans. I would be proud if we had the advantage in all-time record, so I don't begrudge it being brought up. But more often than not, it seems that the all-time record is just a regurgitated argument that has been passed down from father to son without any actual knowledge of the history of this rivalry. There is so much rich history around this rivalry that predates the game of football and it doesn't seem that most fans of AACC appreciate it or have bothered to look into it.
For example, do fans of that school up north even realize how they got their nickname? Do they realize that our Gov. Lucas, in a public speech, stated that the people of the Michigan Territory (yes, before your statehood), were nothing but a bunch of rabid, untrustworthy, wolverines. He basically said you were lying rodents. The initial reaction to Lucas's speech was outrage because it was a deep insult for the day (1835). Anyway, somehow the people of the northern territory ended up embracing the image. They embraced it so much, that when you guys opened your first public university, it became the mascot.
But back to the original point, this brainless fall back to 58-44. well, take a look at it more closely and you will see why Buckeye fans don't sweat this at all. First, while OSU started playing football in 1897, it was treated as a club sport until the late 1910s. AACC was better established and was made in the mold of the Ivy League schools (see your helmets). The rivaley really started to take off when OSU shocked AACC in 1919 and ran off three straight wins. Up until this time, the game was largely considered like a game with a DIVIAA school... oh wait, maybe that is a bad example for you guys. Uh, a MAC school? Nope that doesn't work either. Well, I hope you guys get what i'm saying.
Anyway, at that point it started to get heated. Since 1920 the record between the two schools favors AACC 45-43-4. There was a lot of ebb and flow after that. So much so, that many books have been written on the subject. If you passed the literacy for beginners course at AAcC, pick one up and have a look. but here is a quick breakdown of the rivalry over the years.
Since 1950 advantage OSU 32-28-2
Since 1990 advantage AACC 10-11-1
Since 200 advantage OSU 9-3
So, if you never understood why we easily dismiss your 58-44 argument, that is why. We spotted you guys 13 wins before 1920 and before we ever took football seriously at our school.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Tripol 20 months ago
"Tonight, my butt's sore." - Mike Krzyzewski 11-29-11
AACC? Is there something wrong with you?
58-44. Deal with it.
I'm sorry, all I heard was "blah blah blah I'm a dirty tramp". All seriousness, you seem educated on the rivalry, if you haven't read "war as they knew it", drop whatever you are doing, go buy it, read it, thank me later.
Although I respect you being classier than some of your brethren, its still just an excuse for not having the advantage in the all time record. Trust me though, the "all tine record" is something I don't use as a crutch like some do. Sure, its nice to have but its never a point I bring up in my "defense" in any situation. At the same time I think its funny when people (usually Spartan fans) do whatever they can to virtually erase our history by discrediting wins in some form.
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