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Here is the link to the Freeh report for those who haven't read it yet: http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf
Needless to say, this report is quite damning and I am appalled by what was allowed to happen at PSU. Everything about this situation is atrocious, and makes the "cheating" of other teams seam inconsequential.
While I think the death penalty is probably not an option, I will be severely disappointed if PSU is not hammered through seven hells for this. It is the very definition of LOIC and this LOIC led to multiple children being victimized in the worst of ways. The crimes at PSU make recruiting violations or improper benefits seem inconsequential to the harm placed on the victims. I have no clue what their punishment will or should be, but I would not mind seeing them kicked out of the conference after this.
I'd like to hear what everyone thinks is an appropriate level of punishment from the NCAA/B1G?
I don't know how this would fall under LOIC, but if the NCAA can find a way, bury that program like PSU buried the evidence of little boys being raped by a monster.
From my understanding it sounds like textbook LOIC - one man (Paterno) had absolute power and control over everything relating to the football program. The NCAA's Institutional Control rules are meant to ensure compliance throughout the AD - this includes proper hierarchical and jurisdictional powers of employees. A coach must report to the AD, and there must be sufficient independent compliance monitoring. The evidence that Paterno ruled with an iron fist over all matters seems to clearly indicate this was not the case.
Then bury the program. It hurts the B1G, but not as much as those innocent children were hurt.
I just don't see this really as the responsibility of the NCAA. Kinda goes beyond their perveyance.
If this had been PSU athletic department cheating to gain some sort of advantage for their football program, then sure. But I think the criminal justice system and lawsuits should handle this.
Agree. The NCAA is notoriously inconsistent and incompetent in enforcing its own rules. The last thing we should want is an expansion of their power so they can start handing out penalties for violations of state and federal laws. This reminds me of their foray into banning certain school mascots. The result is FSU with a Native Amercan mascot that apparently is ok because they are paying off some tribe while Illinois is forced to change theirs.
We have a criminal justice system to handle violations of criminal law. We have civil courts on top of that. PSU fired a legendary coach and his reputation is in tatters. The school's image also has taken a massive hit. People are going to jail (and Sandusky will not be the only one). They are going to be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars. The NCAA should only have jurisdiction to penalize schools when the NCAA's rules are broken. Despite how horrific what Sandusky has done is, it is not a violation of any NCAA rule.
If LOIC is expanded to include cases where no NCAA rules are broken but other "bad" things have happened, where does the NCAA's power end? Should the NCAA start issuing show cause orders to coaches who receive DUIs? How about if an AD is found to be embezzling funds? That's a crime. Should the NCAA step in with LOIC after the AD is sent to prison. Sorry, but the NCAA is the worst possible organization to be stepping in and enforcing our criminal laws. They can't even honestly and competently enforce their own.
This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by MrWoodson 21 months ago
Unfortunately, the lawsuits were robbed of a significant amount of their strength because a) Joe Paterno's a scumbag, and b) he died.
If you weren't aware, mere months before the scandal officially broke wide open, Paterno sold one of his largest assets, his house, to his wife for $1. He also transferred a number of other assets into her name. From a lawyer's perspective, this is textbook behavior for someone who knows he's about to get slapped with a whole lot of civil liability. I knew Paterno was guilty of something major when news of the transfers leaked out, but the Freeh report is as bad as I could've imagined, short of Paterno joining in on the abuse.
If Paterno had lived, he'd have very few assets that a plaintiff could get at in a civil suit. Not only did Paterno cover up the abuse for over a decade, he planned to make sure that he would only have to pay the victims as little as he could possibly get away with.
The money to pay the victims will come from PSU and they have plenty. What is Paterno's house worth? A million? That is going to be a rounding error when this is all done.
Or because he had been diagnosed with lung cancer. But spin away.
Wouldn't she be entitled to it whether he sold it to her or not. What did they gain by selling the house to her?
And JoePa is still a scumbag either way.
I know, right?
Why would anyone question his motives at this point? It's not like he would cover anything up...
Probably. But the fact that he sold his house is not a justification for expanding the NCAA's jurisdiction. It's among the most convoluted arguments I've ever heard.
I agree with this 100%.
I agree, but I don't think that is the point CMXI was going for.
What was the point?
Nigel trolling someone other than a uofm fan, on our board. Joepa needs earmuffs and a scarf cause hell just froze over.
Nigel trolls just to troll. It's his thing. Who he trolls and the specific subject matter are entirely secondary.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 21 months ago
^^^^^ The Truth ^^^^^^
Just that the lawsuits won't be able to get the compensation that they should because JoePa is a piece of s***.
I don't know what he thinks about an NCAA investigation.
In his defense, he made a fair point. There is no reason to assume the best of motives from Joe Paterno at this point.
I was being quite intentionally sarcastic. Anyone defending Paterno at this point isn't really bright. Anyone doing it on a message board would probably be...trolling.
A "fair" point? I thought I made a pretty obvious point. Glad you noticed at least that though.
I actually see the opposite. The athletic department clearly did these things for a competitive advantage for their football team. Had reports come out that a coach was raping kids in the locker room, it would have damaged the football team's reputation, caused issues with their recruiting, the brand would've been tarnished which could've lead to lost advertising, etc.
They didn't hide these crimes because they liked Sandusky, they hid them because the story would've hurt the football team and caused them to lose the competitive advantage of being a "clean" program. So whether it is to gain a competitive advantage, or prevent yourself from losing one, it's a LOIC.
I don't think the punishment should involve any sort of scholarship reductions for this specific case because it wasn't the players issues, but there clearly should be athletic department penalties put in place. Who knows how much money they made in the past because their brand wasn't tarnished. Shouldn't they be penalized for that and somehow have some of the future revenue taken away, be it from not participating in bowl games?
The University should just self-impose that any bowl game revenue for the next few years they get go to some child abuse charity or something like that.
Right. And he was responding to your point that the NCAA should not get involved absent evidence of NCAA rules being broken. You said the matter was more appropriately handled by the criminal and civil court system and he responded by saying Paterno's sale of his home cheated the victims out of the civil remedy. Paterno's home sale is irrelevant to the debate about the NCAA's role and that is what I said.
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