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The Ohio High School Football Coaches Association recently held its year-end meeting following the 2012 state finals. Among the items discussed were plenty of significant importance, including a new All-Star game with Michigan, two North-South Classics, the Public vs Private debate, spring ball and a new state finals format…
Man that game would probably be a blood bath to even the teams out maybe all the Ohio players committed to Michigan schools could play for Michigan.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Huburt 16 months ago
Hmm that'd be interesting. I could see it working. Although an Ohio-Michigan game would be quite uneven.
The MHSAA will put the kabosh on this in no time. They're allergic to any sort of progressive idea that might advance high school football in Michigan.
This. it's sad.
Yeah, but it's a good idea. The only way Michigan HS football is going to improve is if the state does things to raise the profile of the sport. And it's not as if everyone doesn't already know Ohio HS football is better than Michigan HS football. But there is no built in reason for it. The state populations are comparable and the states are both located in the North. It might take 20 years, but Michigan HS football can make progress towards closing the gap if it wants to.
I also think the rules for this all-star game can be designed to even out things a bit. One thing would be to severely limit the size of the rosters. Ohio HS football is much deeper than Michigan HS football, but the top dozen or so players out of Michigan every year are just as talented as their Ohio counterparts. And as someone suggested above, maybe you allow a limited number (i.e. five or six) Ohio players to voluntarily cross over and play for Michigan if they are committed to play college at a Michigan school. This can be made to work if both sides want it to.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson 16 months ago
Therein lies the problem. I do not believe the MHSAA has any interest at all in "closing the gap." Quite frankly, why would they want to? What's in it for them? The ONLY thing they've done in the last I-don't-know-how-many-years to further high school football was to change the playoffs to "6 wins and you're in" and going to 8 divisions. Other than that, they've done absolutely nothing.
Not true, the 10-20 players in Ohio are still likely to have offers from quality BCS AQ schools, for many Michigan classes they will not.
I think there are a lot of factors, not the least of which is Lacrosse. That sport has exploded in Michigan over the last 10 years. Kids play it year round now, including Fall leagues. Lets face it, it's an easier sport than football yet still includes some contact and is a very competitive. I've coached football for 10 years and have watched countless kids give up football to concentrate solely on Lacrosse.
I always thought hockey was a big reason too, i've had a few cousins who could have been monster football players but never played organized because they were hockey players.
Hockey used to be, but now it's definitely Lacrosse.
Lacrosse is your reason? Haha it doesn't take that much away in my opinion. It's growing but it's only growing at such a great percentage because so few people played lacrosse a few years ago. I would put it on three major factors:
1. Culture - Football and youth/high school football is just something you do in Ohio. This
2. Population Centers - Ohio has 3 major metro cities (Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincy) to pull talent plus Dayton & Toledo. Michigan has 1 major metro city (Detroit) plus GR, Lansing & Flint.
3. Other Sports - Kind of the same as culture, basically the MHSAA puts less emphasis and ability to practice football, plus there is an emphasis on other sports where Michigan typically produces basketball, hockey, and non competitive sports like skiing, hunting, boating, etc.
This is a really interesting question, and I'd even throw Indiana into the conversation for arguments sake. Ohio produces the best football players (depth and quality) while Indiana produces the best basketball players. Michigan is kind of in the middle, maybe leaning a bit more towards basketball.
I think hockey is certainly a major factor - lacrosse, not so much right now - its just so new. Also, look at states like Maryland, Virginia, New Jersey - huge lacrosse hotbeds - and the football talent in those states is as good as its ever been. Meanwhile, Michigan (the state) has always had a big tradition of getting players into professional hockey leagues.
I would add soccer into the #3 discussion. When I was in HS, in the fall there was football, cross country, or golf, I played football. In the winter there was wrestling or basketball, I wrestled. In the spring there was baseball, track, or tennis which was only a few years old at the time for our school, I played baseball.
Now the kids have some many options that we only dreamed of when us older guys were young.
I'm just sayin.....in Michigan, Lacrosse is dipping in to the football taken pool. It's different in Ohio, just like its different in New York, Utah, and South Dakota and a bunch of other states. Football is no longer "THE" sport in Michigan.
I think the population centers are a more reasonable explanation. How much of the population lives north of E. Lansing and Grand Rapids? I lived in Kalamazoo in 1995. All I ever read about was high school baseball and Derek Jeter. High School football usually ended up on page 5-6 of the sports page. Even WMU football was not promoted very well. I saw more X Wing hockey promotion than WMU Bronco football stuff.
Now I know this was almost 20 years ago....what can I say? I'm old.
This post was edited by Georgem80 16 months ago
i came to michigan in the 7th grade from columbus ohio and there was a huge difference in the quality of play even at that level and this was in the 70's my opinion is tosu and woody hayes everyone wanted to play for them in my time....there was no soccor or lac but still the football was better it really helped my high school and college career i always felt further along then my friends through high school ....just my opinion the whole state of ohio takes rocket through high school football much more serious the the state of michigan.....and now with the other sports it waters it out even more.
Lacrosse is fairly popular in Ohio too. OSU had a team long before Michigan and Ohio usually produces a good amount more Lacrosse recruits each year.
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