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Michigan fans know the dark years that we went through on both the BB court (sanctions, Elerbe, Amaker,) and football field (Carr's swoon and Rich Rod).
It seemed that the OSU/UM rivalry in the two major sports was getting lopsided. In fact, the stats quoted by Dick Vitale last night about combined records in the rivalry of those two sports since 2004 (and parroted by MSU fans at work today) are based primarily on those dark years.
Well, the football program has begun its return on the field and the basketball team is even further ahead in its turn-around. The 2004, 2005, etc. seasons are only as relevant as any other historical records. They are fine for a discussion about history, but not current teams.
The more relevant stat to the rivalry is this: The rivalry has come down to home-court or field advantage. Both schools have won all the home games in both sports since January 2011. That will last until at least this fall and is likely to extend until and through the next basketball season. In addition, the recruiting classes for both schools make it look like the trend will continue in both sports (as opposed to one school getting the upper hand on the other).
We'll see how it goes.....
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Peterklima 14 months ago
The way it should be.
You have been missed on tBB.
Hope you are doing well.
Yeah, I was spending way too much time on tBB, but I miss it. I am settling into a new job and the transition here has been hectic. Hoping to be back there soon.
We shall see if the rivalry is back in football.
All due respect but that win over that 6-7 OSU team lead by Fickell was against the worse OSU team in history.
I know we beat some bad michigan teams but we beat some good ones as well.
We should be unbeaten coming into AA next year.
This year's game didn't seem competitive to OSU fans?
40-34 was barely a win but 26-21 was a blowout.
You are living in denial.
A few things: if you can count beating MSU as a tough win last year....ummmmmm.......so did Michigan. Also, Wisconsin was an 8-6 team that struggled all year. PSU was a team dealing with unprecedented sanctions and lost several of their best players before the season began. Nebraska and Michigan I'll give you, but they were both at home.
Congratulations on the undefeated year, but I disagree vehemently with anybody that wants to make it seem like OSU had a "signature win" last year. They went undefeated against an embarrassing non-conference schedule and against an awful B1G - maybe the worst the conference has ever been.
As for the power vs. speed debate, I really think power will win, although I may be biased. I haven't does the research on this, but to the best of my memory, Saban's pro-style Alabama team decimated the Gators once Saban got his players in (so let's say after his second full recruiting cycle). Michigan beat Florida in an offensive shootout in the Citrus Bowl. I believe he had success against Georgia (don't want to ignore that) but let's face it - Georgia hasn't won a big game in over a decade (I still can't help but laugh about how this year's SEC title game ended). Obviously we'll see how everything plays out on the field - personally, I can't wait to see it unfold.
I guess in a respectful way (I hear bans come quick around here), I was pointing out that i gotta see Hoke beat Meyer before the rivalry is deemed back. The one win Michigan got since 03 game against Fickell. Urban is obviously a different beast, even over the vest.
Meyer has a very impressive win record vs his rivals even while at Florida. It we win in AA next year then that would mean we're back to the status quo.
This post was edited by AlphaBuckeye06 14 months ago
Agree with the general sentiment here, but it's going to be very interesting to see what happens next year in basketball. Right now, both teams are very talented and should be pretty good next year, but a lot depends on who goes pro after the season. If Michigan gets even one of Hardaway and GR3 to return, the Wolverines could be a potential Top 5 team next season. Ohio State has some nice players come back, but Deshaun Thomas is very likely gone and that leaves a mega hole on offense. Some of their role players are starting to step up, but they will desperately need someone to fill that gap.
Regardless, there are going to be some GREAT games in both football and basketball the next few years. And, with all four programs booming, home field/court is going to be huge.
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Not to flame the subject of speed vs power, but haven't we already seen that speed can win that game? In 2006, you had an awesome team, as did OSU. OSU ran a spread attack with 3 and 4 wide outs w/ a mobile QB Troy Smith. You had Henne, Hart and good receivers/OL. That was what I envision our battles becoming in next few years. Good, hard fought, close game between two different styled teams both loaded with talent.
Who doesn't think speed can beat power? Of course it CAN.
However, recent events tend to point to consistent excellence being rooted in a power system that operates from the inside out.
Perhaps after his run in with Nick Saban, the onus is on Urban Meyer to show he can consistently compete with a team that runs an efficient power attack. Let alone outlast it.
Derrick Green has almost 20 pounds on Elliot. I assume you meant "former."
If only we hadn't seen an Urban Meyer led team with a player winning a Heisman in between National Championships play Michigan before. That team also had Henne, Hart, etc. How did that game turn out?
This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 14 months ago
Ah, I looked at Elliot's ESPN page, my bad. I think I remember TVH saying Green recently weighed in at 223, so he's still got 11 pounds on Elliot, but they're closer than I thought.
Don't tell me my business, devil woman!
"In between National championships" My favorite part of that statement...
Why? Neither of them were at Ohio State.
Hell, one of them came at Ohio State's expense...
Sry he should have said "a year after they kicked ohios ass in the NC".
and a few years before a pro-style coach forced him to retire for "health" reasons.
This is the thing OSU fans forget readily. Meyer was burnt out at Florida. He retired twice. He took time off and came back energized for the job. How long before his tank runs out if it hasn't already?
Agree with Basketball kinda but Ohio st was 2-1 vrs Michigan and I expect us to beat you on a neutral court in the conf tourney.
In Football you had barely won in a down year because of a interim coach who was clueless. Bottom line we win this year in Ann ArbOr and I don't see you guys winning a football gm against us this Decade.
Hoke is a fill in the gap guy , you guys need a real coach
Urban Meyer is the definition of a fill in the gap guy. Which coach do you think will still be at their current school in 3 years?
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