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Fitz went down in the Iowa game, but your right Hayes has not found his spot yet (underperformed). He is only a sophomore.
Right, sorry - and that only lends more credence to my belief that Hayes had chances to step up. He's definitely still got time, but unless he can carve out a role for himself, he'll be looking at losing his scholarship after his RS JR year, because we're looking at an incredible RB class in 2015.
I could be wrong but we don't really know if Norfleet is getting the nod over Hayes or not. That is all hear say right now. Do I think Norfleet will take it from him? very good chance. I look forward to seeing how Hayes, Norfleet and Drake all have progressed from last year.
Personally Im not a fan of Rawls and never have been. All this talk of him being the "next" big time back for Michigan was crap imo. I think his ship has sailed more then Hayes has. With Green, DeVeon and Wyatt coming in Rawls will get barred. At least Hayes has some versatility.
Just my opinion though boys!
Ah, ok, I was under the impression that Norfleet is getting the nod. Either way, doesn't change the fact that Hayes has had chances, but I'm with you, I think Norfleet will take it.
I also agree that Rawls is getting more squeezed out than Hayes. Smith and Green are just better versions of the RB we wanted Rawls to be. While yes, it remains to be seen what they'll do for us at the college level, it's no secret that Rawls couldn't get it done this year and that we're looking for many new RBs for his role.
I think the guy who'll emerge in spring practice is Drake Johnson, and I'm interested to see what happens and how he looks in the spring game.
Big and really fast. I'm with you can't wait to see if he can crack the line-up and get some playing time.
Didn't he set the Michigan state rushing mark for a season?
Edit: the books say 6th for a season total. Funny Grady was a five star and Johnson is noted in almost all of the rushing statistics many times ahead of Grady.
This post was edited by Amazinglyblue78 14 months ago
According to his UM profile he finished 95 yards shy, but he still rushed for 2,800 yards his senior season, which is insane. Averaged over 8 yards/carry.
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Yeah pretty cool statistics. I looked up the state records and he is pretty well represented. Iirc he only started really playing football later in high school.
You said it yourself, it was highly unlikely that Hayes was going to be the every-down, pound it for 20 carry a game guy in the new offense, whereas Fitz and Rawls both fit that mold. It is/was unrealistic for you to expect that of him, especially as a RS FR when that really isnt his game at the moment. He (or anyone else) was never going to pass Vince as the 3rd down back this year because Vince was a great pass pro guy.
Why are you acting like this offseason is over? We haven't even had spring practice start, so I have no clue where you are getting him having a chance to take oveer for Vince and Norfleet for sure passing him.
He hasn't been passed by Norfleet or Johnson yet, and Rawls and Fitz are either his class or above. Granted I (along with everyone) predict Green, at a minimum, will pass him up when he arrives.
How many chances do I want to give him? Not about me, but he is about to be a RS SO, he has 3 more years to make a good impact. Not all freshman come in immediately and play.
Cruel might not be the right word, but I certainly think you are overreacting considering spring practices haven't even started. If this was fall camp, or even post-spring ball and he for sure had been passed by Johnson and/or Norfleet then I would say you might have a point, but even then he still has plenty of time to make an impact.
Look, we can go back and forth on this forever, because we clearly aren't going to reach any sort of agreement. We'll see how things play out. Like I said, I would love to be proven wrong and for him to become a major weapon, I just don't see it happening.
The only thing I'll say about this last post is that if Hayes doesn't develop some kind of niche and start contributing, I really don't think he has three more years. We'll honor his 4-year scholarship, but I can't see the coaches giving a 5th-year to a non-contributor - especially when, as I said, we're looking at a disgustingly good RB class in 2015.
I'd have to think for a couple of the RB's that their time to make an impact is this year. If they can not get it done this year they probably will not get another chance. Smith and Green might very well pass Hayes and Rawls this year. I said before though that last year is not a very good indication of how good Hayes and Rawls are. I'm not going to write either of those two off but the 2013 class has some studs coming in. The 2014 recruits might be even better.
Unless we get Leonard Fournette, I can't really see a way in which the 2014 RB class will be better than the 2013 class. 2015, on the other hand...
Fournette and Sony Michel
Please, Fournette and Bo Scarborough. Piss off both LSU and Bama.
Oh, see, I was just trying to be realistic since Michel has visited lol
Always felt the same way about Rawls. His big runs always came in the 4th quarter of a blow outagainst a teams 2nd string depleted defense. Other than that he runs hard and falls. There isn't much to be desired with him.
hopefully they don't run him up the middle on 3rd down
If the coaches ever run a back up the middle on 3rd down who weighs less than 220 pounds, I'll be very upset. We have big backs for a reason.
It would not surprise me to see Hurst run the ball on a 3rd and short some day.
That'd surprise me. Sure once in a while coaches will throw one of their big athletic dlinemen in down there to block, but very rarely do they touch the ball. Ball security, those big boys are usually fumbles waiting to happen. And yes I know Hurst had some touches in high school.
I would be extremely surprised. Any situation for Hurst is why we're recruiting kids like Shallman.
While I'd be surprised if Hurst actually got the ball, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him line up as a FB with Shallman as the RB in goal-line situations. Bama did it with DT Jesse Williams this year and had a lot of success with it.
That would be fun to watch. Has there been any interviews of Hurst saying the coaches are considering putting him on offense for certain situations? Again, I doubt he ever gets a snap, but the coaches watched the same highlights we did so I guess you never know.
I could see him get the ball in a lesser OOC game. Then in a more meaning full game run the same formation but do as you mention.
I can't remember, but it'd surprise me if the coaches didn't at least consider it. Again, Bama used it to great effect, so it's not like it'd be a novel concept. It's also not everyday that you get a DT who can run the ball, so I'd imagine they'll want to use him as much as they can.
If Hayes or Rawls are non factors this year, and easily surpassed in the depth chart, I hope they leave the team and open up some schollys. Also, does anyone know if Fitz has a steel/titanium rod in his leg, or if he plans on playing with one? Maybe we can expect Fitz to come out way more determined this upcoming year. I think his success in 2011 got to his head this past season, and he thought things were going to come easy for him.
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