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Here's the breakdown for the B10 + ND ...
7. Michigan State
14. Notre Dame
53. Penn State
65.(tie) Ohio State <-----
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson 17 months ago
Ohios strength of schedule for next year will not be much better. Their schedule is just as soft if not softer for 2013. It could be another similar scenario where they are undefeated going into the game.
I would have to imagine that if these were the end of the year sos stats that it would mean everyone who played us got a boost and everyone we played did little to help or lowered our sos. Basically the weak B1G killed us of course and yea we had a bad ooc schedule. We did however beat the top of the B1G and didn't get lucky by not playing the weaker opponents of the legends division. The thing that hurt us the most is that the ranked teams we did beat did pretty mediocre overall. Basically, you guys hurt our sos because you had a bad season for the most part as did Michigan State and Wisconsin.
Beating the top of the B1G doesn't really matter when you're barely winning nail-biters against the B1G bottom-feeders.
If OSU has our SOS, there's not a chance in hell they go undefeated.
You lost to us head-to-head and lost to a Nebraska team that we beat. You are a 4-loss team--all you did was hurt everyone's SOS. That being said, SOS is overrated. Win the games you play. At the end of the day, win/loss record is really all that will matter in the BCS.
One other point: OSU's toughest road game was Wisconsin...Ours were, in order, Alabama, Notre Dame, then OSU, then Nebraska.
Wrong. The thing that killed your SOS is your crappy OOC schedule. You played a grand total of one OOC team with a winning record and that team is from CUSA. That's pathetic. That's the kind of schedule people expect from Indiana not Ohio State.
Miami) (OH) 4-8
This post was edited by MrWoodson 17 months ago
The big name games are scheduled years in advance. You know this and are not dumb. When we signed on to have a home and home with Cal they were a top ten team. It's unfortunate, but you can't blame us that Cal started to suck.
We also just signed a home and home with Oregon in 2020 and for all we know the same thing could happen. You just do the best you can.
This post was edited by AllDay28 17 months ago
The rest of the B1G being awful didn't really help anything.
True, but we are all in the same boat on that. And that is something you can't control. What you can control is your OOC schedule.
Bottom line M beat 1 team with a winning record and that was a gift from god...OSU beat 5...with road wins at PSU, Wisky, and MSU...You guys need to accept the loss and move on...
I did a quick check and it appears that this SOS does NOT include that team's record. That is, for Michigan's SOS, it doesn't include the 8 wins (losses for their opponents), and it doesn't include the 4 losses (wins for their opponents). As an example, for Alabama's SOS, Michigan would count as 8-3 since they would then remove the loss to Alabama.
That would mean the argument that winning a lot = a poor SOS is not true. Playing bad teams gives you a poor SOS.
Also not sure it's been entirely updated since this weekend.
He's right and you're right. We played crappy teams, but the teams in the BIG didn't help us either, but it's funny you guys mention this after last year.
Oregon in 2020? That's a crapshoot. Who know knows if they will be any good or not. And FWIW you scheduled Oregon in place of your cancelled series with Georgia. Wtf? Georgia too tough? And you cancelled another upcoming series with Tennessee.
I didn't post the above list to highlight OSU's weak schedule. I posted it to highlight Michigan's relatively tough one. And it doesn't even account for the fact that we played all four of our toughest opponents on the road. But I LOL'd when I saw where OSU fell in the rankings. You basically took your four OOC opportunities and scheduled a weak BCS team, a weak MAC team, a mid-tier CUSA team and a weak CUSA team ... and you played them all at home. That's the sort of OOC schedule Wisky puts together every year and we all laugh about it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if your OOC schedule this year even made Wisky's fans blush.
MSU does not have a winning record.
I don't think he meant it that way, just that they were a road game.
We cancelled because we wanted to change the dates after the Pac twelve agreement was made and they wouldn't budge because of the SEC schedule. We also had Vandy cancel on us because of the SEC scheduling. We always try to do one "marquee" game, one game against a top 40, and two local teams. Unfortunately it just didn't work out this year because the way in advance scheduling screwed us. Believe me, buckeye fans hate when that big OOC game doesn't live up to the billing. We have VA tech and Oklahoma coming up after Cal and I'm worried about those too. Like I said, you do the best you can. It's not as if we didn't try to make it harder then it turned out to be.
Last year? Last year our OOC schedule included ND (8-4) and SDSU (9-3). SDSU came in third in the MWC and its only losses were to Michigan (10-2), Boise State (11-1, MWC Runner-up) and TCU (10-2, MWC Champion). Also, per the same NCAA strength of schedule ranking, our SOS last year was 19th and yours was 58th.
Ok. And you can just hang out on your board with like-minded individuals who agree with you.
Remember, you're on OUR board.
They played at PSU, which would probably be deemed tougher than Wisconsin, although it's nitpicking.
Can I get your thoughts on next years schedule? The B1G sucks overall, and every conference game is easily winnable. But your OOC schedule looks much easier, no? Well maybe slightly more difficult because you have to travel to CA for one game against a subpar opponent.....but seriously, who do you lose to before the game next year?
Strength of schedule is irrelevant when you don't win any of the games that give you a high ranking for SOS.
Sorry, but I'd rather play Bama and ND and have a fair chance of losing than UCF and UAB and know the game is going to be over at halftime. If you want that type of schedule, wouldn't it be simpler to just join CUSA? Then, again, considering you lost four out of six against USC, Texas and Miami, the last three real OOC teams you scheduled, I guess I don't totally blame you. Fear is a natural reaction to getting punched in the face.
The reality is OSU didn't face the kind of schedule that ND, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, or a handful of other teams faces.
Really...what would LSU's record have been with OSU's schedule?
Look, OSU beat us, that proves they deserve to be ahead of us. But SOS matters...and will always matter as long as BCS standings matter.
SOS does matter....if you win. If you don't, it doesn't. Unless you're looking to feel better about a 4-loss season. Then it matters.
This is the overriding truth. We beat teams over .500, you beat a .500 team.
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