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According to Jerry Palm; I still think they're a 3 seed at this point though.
Jerry Palm predicts the teams in the NCAA College Basketball Men's Tournament for CBSSports.com.
Yeah, no way. Not after the tournaments are done.
Surprised that this bracket was updated after all games were played yesterday and even more surprised because Palm seems to have been down on Michigan's seeding for a while.
Yeah, no way we stay a two. We will be at best a three and possibly even a four. Eff it. It's more important who is in our bracket than exactly what seed we get. Let's hope we get sent out west with Gonzaga and New Mexico. I don't want to see Duke or Louisville.
I hope we don't drop to a 4 because then we wouldn't be in Auburn Hills. I think it will really help this team gain momentum if they can get a big fan turnout playing in Michigan. As a 4 we'd probably end up in San Jose or something.
3 seed.. because the B1G has the toughest conference by far this year.
Yeah, I hope so too. Àll we had to do was beat Wisky (either game) or not crap the bed at PSU. Or if that damn ball would have rolled in against IU. I think we will hold a three seed, but it will be close. There are at least 10 teams with comparable or better resumes: Gonzaga, IU, UL, Duke, KU, Syracuse, Georgetown, Miami, OSU and MSU. And UF could win the SEC tourney, KSU could win the B12 tourney and UNM could win the MW tourney, which would put them all in contention to move up in seeds. Keep your fingers crossed that at least two of them lose.
Edit: And if Wisky beats IU for a second time and goes on to win the BTT, they will move up too. Lots of landmines to avoid over the next two days.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson 13 months ago
Michigan should be a #4 seed but will probably get a #3 seed.
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
No, we don't belong as a #4. That would drop to the range of Kansas State, Arizona, Marquette and Syracuse. I wouldn't put any of those teams ahead of Michigan, even with the way we are playing.
3 seed is probably about right.
the selection committing has always stated they put weight to how a team is playing going into the tournament. I believe UofM is a solid 3 seed however I think they are only 6-6 in their last 12 games so it will be interesting to see if that effects their seed. All things considered and playing in the toughest conference this season I believe they should be a 3 seed.
" the selection committing " who ?.
I agree, but are those other four playing lights out comparatively? And still, the Big 10 is the strongest conference. I think we are a solid 3 seed.
To keep a three seed, we probably need SYR, UNM, KSU and MSU to lose. And we need to hope the committee considers our resume better than SYR's (which I believe it is). Assuming that happens, the following nine teams definitely will be ranked ahead of us on the S-curve: GONZ, IU, UL, KU, DUK, OSU, GTWN, MIA, and UF. And to crack the top 12 (i.e. get a three seed), we will be competing with MSU, UNM, SYR and KSU. We need to be ranked ahead of at least two of those four.
UM now a #4 seed in latest ESPN projection ....
Syracuse is the key. If they win tonight, it probably moves them up ahead of us (which is where Lunardi currently has them). If they lose tonight, our resume is better and I think we will end up on the three line and they will end up on the four line. But it's very close.
UM: RPI 16, SOS 62, 3 top 25 wins, 5 top 50 wins, 6-6 L12,
Cuse: RPI 11, SOS 6, 2 top 25 wins, 4 top 50 wins, 7-5 L12
being a 4 out West though wouldn't be bad if Gonzaga is the 1..
1. L12 is irrelevant. It's something the committee did away with years ago.
2. Syracuse is 2-4 against top 25 RPI teams vs. 3-4 for UM. If Syracuse loses tonight, they will be 2-5. As for top 50, Syracuse is 6-7 (6-8 if they lose tonight) vs. UM at 8-6. UM's record against top tier teams is just better.
3. Syracuse's best OOC win is SDSU (RPI: 32). In comparison, UM has three quality OOC wins, KSU (RPI: 16), NCST (RPI: 31) and Pitt (RPI: 44). FWIW, Syracuse split with Pitt this year 1-1.
Bottom line: If Syracuse wins the BE tournament, I agree that they will jump over UM (and MSU) and pull a #3 seed. But if they lose, I think they will fall to a #4. Of course, it doesn't matter what we think. It only matters what the selection committee thinks and we won't know that until tomorrow.
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1- yep, you are right.. though a Q&A with Gene Smith in 2011 said some committee members still use it
2- Small advantage to UM there
3- not sure "best win" means anything.. Cuse is in BET Final, while UMlost in quarters of BTT.. Cuse's SOS also much higher, and RPI's higher as well
But yep, Cuse losing probably puts the S Curve at 12/13 between Cuse and UM with MSU, UF and NM already locked into 3 seeds
Here's how I see things. Regardless what seed UM gets. It's one & done come tourney time. If the memories from last year's against ohio don't ring a bell then I don't know what will get them motivated.
Cuse taking this one. Book it.
Way to go out on a limb.
Edit: And you still ended up being wrong.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 13 months ago
Whoever has Michigan SOS at 62 is a moron. There is no way New Mexico played a tougher schedule than Michigan. Playing Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio State, MSU all 2 times, plus K State, NC State and Pitt doesn't even compare to the toughest teams New Mexico played.
He is just quoting the SOS component of the RPI calculation. It's not really SOS the way most people think of it (or what Kenpom or Sagarin would call SOS).
Kenpom SOS ... UM: 13, SYR 19
Sagarin SOS ... UM: 10, SYR: 19
I know. Just figures cope would go with the one that has Michigan's SOS the lowest.
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