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With Bunting's commitment, the Wolverines moved from No. 12 to No. 8 in the 247Sports team recruiting rankings. Michigan is just 4 points behind Ohio State. Both schools have 7 commitments for the Class of 2014.
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When you consider that one of our commits is a greyshirt-in-waiting 2-star, I'm super excited about this class. We haven't even started pulling in our 5-stars yet (except Harris, of course), and we're ranked this high.
The team rankings confuse me. We have 7 commits, including five 4-stars and one 3-star. How is Louisville ahead of us with zero four-star or five-star commits? I also can't comprehend how Texas, with five 4-stars and zero 5-stars, is ahead of TAMU who has seven 4-stars and one 5-star.
They have Pallente which kills our team rankings. He should be on the list but not on the averages.
Up until the classes even out around 17-18 members, quantity inflates rankings. Texas is so high right now purely based on how many recruits they have.
Sparty Nooooooooooooooooo.... !
It shows MSU has a better class than bama hahaha I won't be looking at class ranking in a while
has MSU ever had a top 10 class?
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Of course he should be on the list, and the averages. Just because he isn't ranked high he shouldn't be? He is a member of this class at the moment, and unless something changes he will be considered a part of the 2014 recruiting class.
So if Pallente was rated high than it would be alright to count him towards the average?
You can argue he isn't technically part of this class. He won't be on scholarship until 2015.
Unless something changes he'll be part of the 2015 class. He'll technically be a walk-on in 2014 unless we miss on top guys.
Is that true? I've heard that he is a part of this class unless they get a numbers squeeze at the end... Then he's a grey shirt. I could have this backwards though...
I've heard both. I doubt there isn't someone who takes precedent over him, especially with it being a smaller class. Also, 247 has him listed as a greyshirt.
So if we get to 18-19 kids (on the high end), Pallante's ranking will be a moot point on not really matter then?
Pretty much. I can't remember if 247 counts grayshirts towards the overall average for a class, but if they do, that's the only thing his ranking will affect, but it ultimately won't matter much for the team rankings formula. I also just don't see any way in which we don't take a full class and he doesn't grayshirt - we're in on too much talent this year.
Pallante = grayshirt if McDowell and Hand commit
Maybe I'm wrong, but Pallente is not 'killing' our team rankings right now because the points used to rank teams are cumulative. I.e., thay add up all the individual prospect's 'points' (not sure how they determine these though) to get the total points of all the recruits. So Pallente is actually adding points to our total at this point (even though it may not be much), and without him we would probably be lower. What Pallente's rating is doing is killing our point average. We're currently at 91.something, and if you take Pallante out, you end up with 93.something which would be second only to Alabama.
It's "killing it" in a sense of perception. People look at the rankings and see "Ohio State has 7 commits and Michigan has 7, but OSU has a better ranking so they must have a better class, period." The key here is that Pallante is not contributing as many points as even a low 3* would. That's probably how I would apply that phrase ("kill rankings").
Right now, Pallante is contributing 5.6 points to the team points total. If he were an 84-rated 3*, he'd be contributing 11.2 points, which is double the amount (because 77-70 = 7, and 84-70 = 14). So if you had an 84-rated commit there instead of Pallante, your 7-man class would be rated ahead of OSU's.
Also, just an FYI...247 is using a larger standard deviation. This means even prospects that are 18th or 19th in a class contribute a decent number of points - it used to be their rating was multiplied by about 0.02, now it's nearly 10 times that much. You have to get to commit #21 just to have a factor less than 0.1 multiplied by the rating. If Pallante were the 18th commit, he'd still contribute 1.2 points to the total.
Rankings need to be updated.... I'm waiting....
Michigan now No. 7 and first in the Big Ten
As we should be.
Pat, I have a question: I know that Brady Pallante counts (for now) as part of this class, but if we fill up and the coaches go through with grayshirting Pallante, does his ranking still count towards this class?
He will count toward this year's class versus 2015. It's the best way to handle grayshirts so we don't double up where they are counting toward two classes.
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