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Grew up a huge IU fan. Committed when IU was a dumpster fire. Suffered two ACL injuries, but finally got back healthy and played some this year. Apparently Tom Crean doesn't need him anymore.
Maurice Creek @TheNew22forIU
*sigh* sometimes it's best to keep mouth shut and stay cool
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson 12 months ago
I think Crean is "clean" by the letter of the law. But he does a lot of shady, gray area stuff that is disappointing.
I'm not sure about the Creek situation, but if he was a RS JR about to be a RS SR, asking Creek to leave doesn't seem much different than any other situation where a 5th year is not granted.
Well, what grade is he?
That's essentially what we did with Blake McLimans. The difference would be if Crean gave him no indication at all, or had told him he was coming back. Beilein made it clear to Blake he would not be back for a 5th (my assumption) because MGoBlue.com officially changed his classification to remove the redshirt at some point during, or after, his RS Soph year.
The reason I think this one is different is Creek came in when IU needed players desperately and he lost two seasons to ACL injuries. He's just gotten himself back healthy and now he's being told they don't want him. Really? Coming back from an ACL injury is tough, mentally and physically, and he no more than recovered from one and he had another one. The kid deserves a break. It would be like John Beilein telling Austin Hatch to go somewhere else. I understand the cold logic, but it just seems heartless. IU recruits as well as almost any program in the country. IU easily can afford to carry a player in Creek's situation for one more year so he can finish his career with his teammates as a Hoosier. There is no need for this.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 12 months ago
I know it may sound heartless, but if Indiana was in a numbers crunch, which I think they were, Crean is completely within his rights to not give Creak his 5th year. IMO this is a non issue for Indiana and Creen, sucks for the kid though, hopefully he can go somewhere else and contribute for a year.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
I wonder if Crean will catch any flak for this. Creek is a fan favorite and people really want to see him succeed at IU.
I don't think this is true. You can have 13 scholarship players in basketball. With McLimans, we still would have been fine (see below). I think McLimans decided to leave on his own for more PT. I could be wrong, but I have not heard otherwise. Also, even if true, it would be more of a standard situation in which a fifth year senior does not get extended. He didn't lose two seasons to ACL injuries. It just seems different to me.
1. GRIII - SO
2. McGary - SO
3. Stauskas - SO
4. Albrecht - SO
5. Levert - SO
6. Bielfeldt - RS SO
7. Horford - RS JR
8. Morgan - RS SR
9. Walton - Incoming FR
10. Irvin - Incoming FR
11. Donnal - Incoming FR
Note: If nothing else, it would have been nice to have McLimans for the practice squad. I can't imagine why Coach Beilein would not invite him back for a fifth year when we have two open scholarships available.
Maybe it was Blake's idea to leave. He could have wanted to go to a place where he would see the court.
They are only in a numbers crunch because Crean oversigned. He easily could have taken five players in 2013 instead of six. In fact, he was fortunate that Oladipo exploded this year and left early. Otherwise, he still would have to get rid of someone else.
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. This is college not the pros. Still a business, but I think Crean owes something to Hulls, Watford, the other big man whose name alludes me, and Creek. I remember when they were all freshmen and Creek was probably the best of the four. But the team was terrible. It's very similar to Zack Novak and Stu Douglass of our program. They stuck through everything and saw the program go from the lowest point to its highest. Difference with this situation is Indiana is a blue blood so them being at their lowest is way worse and this kid fought through two ACL injuries. I think it's a scumbag move IMO
I think this is correct because I was pretty sure we had an extra scholarship spot prior to McLimans leaving.
It seems likely Beilein told him he wouldn't get much (if any) PT, or he saw the writing on the wall for himself, and made his choice from there.
I really find it hard to imagine Beilein would ask a 5th year guy, who knows the system and the daily college grind, that doesn't seem to have any attitude or grade issues, to leave the team when he's publicly stated we'll need walkons to help fill the scout/practice team positions next year.
It was reported on other sites well over a year ago that Blake wouldn't be coming back for a 5th year. With the potential for Hardaway/Burke to come back and/or get another late addition to the recruiting class, these 2 open scholarships were not guaranteed to be there.
It's very possible it was a mutual decision, which was what I was saying that Crean may not have given any indication to the kid, which would be pretty slimy.
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Well, if the meme fits ...
This. If its a 5th year its no different then what our football team does every year.
It was Creek's choice to leave he wanted a fresh start for his last season of eligibility ... Nothing shady here
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Walter "Frank" Sobchak
This post was edited by Frank C 12 months ago
Just curious, but how do you know he was told they don't want him and sent him packing? Just curious...
Creek leaving actually puts them at 12 scholarships for next season, so 1 below the limit.
Crean = A$$hole, but people are reaching a bit on this one.
So much wrong with this. I know we hate Crean, but this has multiple incorrect things.
Creek did not grow up an IU fan. Kid is from the DMV and is an East Coaster. He was committed to Crean at Marquette and followed him to IU. No childhood attachments.
He not only suffered 2 knee injuries (not both ACL's, one was a broken kneecap), but also the dreaded torn Achilles before last year.
IU did not need him to leave. With the 3 graduating seniors, 2 early entries, and Remy Abell's decision to transfer, they were at 13 scholarships. He knew this and still saw he wouldn't play much, so he's going somewhere he can play for his 5th season of eligibility.
Also, he and his girlfriend just had a little girl, so the thought is they will return somewhere closer to home to have a support system.
I know Crean was a total jerk to Meyer, but this is not a reason to add fuel to the fire.
Also, IU will struggle next year with only 2 contributors coming back.
And how is that different from what Michigan's football team does every year?
I think you have to keep this in mind: college basketball doesn't operate the same way college football does.
For instance, in college basketball it is considered a breach of the gentleman's agreement if another school continues to recruit a player after he has committed. In football, this practice is common place.
Similarly, 5th years seniors in college basketball are frequently allowed to stay on as a scholarship player (simply because of the sympathy factor following a season-ending injury). In football, injuries are so common that they are considered normal.
My point is that from the student athlete's perspective it is the same thing.
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