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Just look what he done with Kapernick. Gardner is a kapernick clone.
He probably would have been a great coach at Michigan, but it didn't work out that way. Oh, and you spelled sophomore wrong.
Would have coached here for a couple years, then bolt to the NFL.
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See Chip Kelly.
Correct. Instant success vs. long-term, incremental success. Hoke and Co. all the way.
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
Yup. Give me the guy committed to being at Michigan as long as they'll let him coach.
I always hear this argument with JH. Is it possible he would bolt after 3 -5 years? Of course!
However, you give me 4 years of 2 -3 Big Ten Championships and atleast one game in the BCS Championship game and I take that trade all day, everyday.
The momentum that the next coach would be riding would be epic.
Well first, even if Harbaugh came here, there would be no gaurentee of anything. Secondly, I completely disagree with what you said. What this program needs is someone for the long haul to reestablish it after the late Carr years and RR years and guarantee success for decades to come like Bo did. We didn't need a blue blood like UM to be a stepping stone to 'greater things' and then end up in the same position as after Carr because he established no coaching tree.
Lol at any of you suggesting you wouldn't have taken 3 or 4 years of Harbaugh.
Hoke would have been available whenever we wanted. And Harbaugh is one of the best coaches around period, let alone in college.
I love Hoke and Co, but he is nowhere near the coach Harbaugh is.
I would have taken 3 years of Harbaugh then Hoke.
We all would have taken Harbaugh, he's one of the best coaches out there. That's why he was offered the job, he chose the NFL, so the point is moot. Also, Kap aren't really that much alike, Kap is faster and a better pure passer.
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Jim would have built the program one way, and Hoke would have changed to fit his system. 1 step forward, 2 steps backward? I guess. Or, 3 steps slowly forward.
Hoke and Harbaugh definitely run similar programs.
Agree with every point you made times a million.
Thank you Captain obvious! u gotta be the same dude in the pic below !!!
Gonna challenge this a little bit.
As a passer, Kaepernick posted a 58.2% completion rate, 7.94 YPA, and averaged a passer rating of 143.1. In 2012, an admittedly much smaller sample but against much better competition Gardner posted a 59.5% completion rate, 9.68 YPA, and a 161.7 rating. Kaepernick might be the better passer today, but it doesn't make much sense to compare someone with 2 years in the league to someone with 2 years of college eligibility left. As college passers, Gardner looks just as good if not better statistically (and again, Gardner's competition has been much tougher).
As for their speed, Kaepernick's 40 time at the combine was 4.53. According to nfldraftscout.com, Gardner's lowest 40 time is 4.54...other accounts put him between 4.50 and 4.60. Whatever numbers we use, they have similar speed...Kaepernick might be a touch faster, but its not like he's gonna just dust Gardner.
The Carr years are the last thing we need. 15 yrs of coaching, collect massive talent and underachieve as we don't even sniff the Big Dance.
Michigan doesn't need to be "reestablished." Harbaugh would have come in and it would have been electric on the field and off with recruiting.
The poster that said Hoke isn't on Harbaugh level is correct. Hoke would have been there 5 years from now and willing to run to Ann Arbor.
Look at the energy and excitement Urban Meyer brought to Ohio in his first year.
Kapernick is in fact a Gardner clone. Both kids are big & strong with the abilty to make plays with their feet. All they need is coaching and you're seeing that with Kapernick.
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I think everybody would have loved for Harbaugh to come Ann Arbor, but he had NFL aspirations. However, not sure I completely agree with the argument that 3-4 years of Harbaugh would have been better than having Hoke immediately after Rich Rod. Yes, there's a decent chance Michigan might have been a bit better during that period. I mean, everybody's seen what he's done at San Fran, but it's not like he would have any fewer roster problems than Hoke and would he have magically made us good enough to beat Alabama? Probably not.
Hoke's a good hire and he's going to be good over the long haul. The concept of Harbaugh is enticing, but I'm just not totally convinced that he would have been that much better than Hoke. I'm perfectly happy with the coaching staff we have in Ann Arbor right now.
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I wouldn't have liked it at all.
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Where would we be If Lester took over after Carr? I think we would have been real good. Mallet probably stays,as does Arrington. Maybe Manningham. Les is a great recruiter, if he brought his staff with them, guys like Campbell and maybe even Gholston comes to Ann Arbor?
I was pumped when Herbie announced that. Best sign at the time. We need a New Carr with Les Miles
Agreed. This is pretty much how I feel.
Completely agree. At the time I'd have taken Harbaugh (overlooking his ridicule of Michigan's athlete education), but in retrospect I like Hoke...really like Hoke. We had about as much chance of Harbaugh choosing Michigan over the Niners as we would resurrecting Bo and trotting him out for another ten years.
I wouldn't trade for any coaching staff in the country (college or pro) for the one we have now. Are there better coaches out there? Obviously. Does anyone bleed Michigan like our current staff? HELL NO. Hoke and Co. will do great things and bring championship in due time.
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
It's very rare where you get a good coach who you can safely say bleeds your university colors. Hoke is a true Michigan Man and will be around as long as he possibly can be. You talk about coaches finding their dream jobs, and he's got it. I don't think Hoke harbors any aspirations of jumping to the NFL - he's so much about family that it seems like he would want his legacy to include him as one of the best coaches ever in the Michigan family.
That's just a ridiculous statement.
If Belichek wanted to come to Michigan I'd take him in a heartbeat. He would be a great coach, and kids would line up to play for him.
Hoke and his staff are great, but there are better coaches out there.
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