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"I think we've got a track record with Darius (Morris) and now Trey, Spike (Albrecht's) success at the end of the year and Derrick (Walton) coming in," assistant coach LaVall Jordan said. "I think at any position, when kids are looking at Michigan whether it's Manny (Harris), Darius, Trey or whoever or Tim (Hardaway Jr.), see that Coach Beilein allows you freedom as long as you are responsible."
I wouldn't call us PG U until we see who we get for 2015 PG.
If Derrick Walton is successful, then I think without a doubt.
This. If Walton comes in and has success coupled with landing a high ranked 2015 PG and we can earn that title.
So far we've only had two PG go on to the NBA, need more sustained success, but things are certainly looking good in that regard.
i actually think this is possible...id like to see who we get in 2015 because 5 great PGs in a row would make a pretty damn good argument...i think we will be able to pitch Manny, Darius, and especially Trey and their success at Michigan pretty easily to recruits which would make any PG at least give us a second look
Calipari is PG U.
Rose, Wall, Knight, Teague, Goodwin, Harrison
Tyreke Evans too.
Michigan is getting very very strong PGs, but what Calipari is doing is unprecedented. Goodwin isn't very good though, and Harrow either that's why UK was bounced in the NIT 1st Round.
I never considered Evans a PG.
Goodwin is talented, but that team had no leadership. Someone will take a chance on him in the 1st round.
Kentucky and Duke have much stronger track records than Michigan. I'd also throw in UCLA and Kansas as well. Two players do not a university make.
Three, and four if Walton pans out. That's pretty impressive to have in a row.
uhm Spike makes 3 1/2...maybe 4 1/2 if Walton pans out (which i think he will)
I agree with this. Even if Walton pans out at UM, we're talking about NBA superstars in Rose and Wall. It's one thing to play well at the college level, but then for that to translate in the pros the way it has for Calipari year after year, we've got a long way to go IMO. Could we be considered...maybe eventually, but I want to see one of them dominate the way some of his guys have in the pros.
It's Morris and Burke, that's it. Spike has had one good game. Do we want to count the great exploits of Kelvin Grady, CJ Lee, and David Merritt?
I give Spike a 0.2% chance of making the NBA and his chances of developing into an All-B1G player aren't that great. Sure Walton has a chance (a good chance), but we're still not even to a 50% hit rate yet. Not saying it's not possible, but there is a long way to go.
Edit: Are people trying to count Manny Harris as a point guard??? He was a 2 guard all the way. And even then, he was a guy with 1 All B1G selection and went undrafted in the NBA. Loved his contributions to the team, but not exactly a recruiting poster child.
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Manny was pretty good Didn't he run the point?
My take on this is that Kentucky recruits talented PGs who the NBA would take right out of high school. Michigan recruits kids that aren't as highly rated coming out of high school and then develops them into better players than they were projected to be. So in my opinion what Coach B and the Michigan staff has done with their PGs is much much more impressive than what Coach Cal and Kentucky has done.
Let's pump the brakes a little bit. Manny and Darius are nothing in the NBA.
I agree with the general sentiment so far. Probably going to take at least another guy or two before we can really start referring to Michigan as "point guard u" or anything close to that measure. However, it doesn't seem to be that crazy to imagine Michigan's future point guards having a lot of success. Beilein is an outstanding offensive coach that adjusts his scheme depending on the roster. You can see that from the number of ball screens he worked in with Burke and Hardaway compared to his offense without them.
Plus, Beilein heavily recruits players that can shoot. As people say all the time, it's impossible to get an assist without another player making a shot. Michigan has a bunch of really good shooters and there's no reason to think that's going to change anytime soon. Obviously, this has a really good effect on a point guard's stats when they have guys who can knock down shots from the outside.
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Not strictly speaking. He was a natural 2 guard. Those early Beilein teams were pretty much a mess at the point. Kelvin Grady was a bust, Morris had a rough freshman year. The '09 team had CJ Lee and David Merritt, two senior captains in the Spike (minus the 3pt shooting) mold at the point. The '10 team used a combination of freshman Morris, Laval Lucas-Perry, Stu. Harris did become the primary ball handler many times out of necessity, but it was not fit to his strengths. He was certainly more THJ than Burke.
But let's keep in mind that the first 4 were going to make the NBA regardless of where they played and who they played for.
Still, an incredible run.
Andrew Harrison looks to be another sure thing.
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I think the difference between calipari and beilein is the DEVELOPMENT of point guards. The guys that cal put in the league would have been there regardless of where they went to school. He's basically renting guys who 5 years ago would have been straight to the NBA guys.
Morris and Burke weren't those kind of guys, and their development from year 1 to year 2 was remarkable. And beilein made the dance without a scholarship point guard on the roster back in 09. He got those guys playing above their heads as well.
So I think it's fair to say that beilein could make a move on cal for PG u.
No, if you're talking about their professional careers. We'll have to wait a while to see if the guards pan out, if you're speaking in a college career sense. They've only had one really good guard in Burke, Morris was talented but not top-tier.
Calipari isn't a school. IMO you can't call that school (insert position here) U just because a coach is there that has had success at that position.
If we're talking about a school that has been pumping out PGs recently, we'd definitely have to be in consideration for PG U.
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