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I'm tired of watching Michigan basketball spotting ranked opponents big leads to start the game. It puts us in huge holes and we have to play catch-up the rest of the way.
In this game, we did it twice. We were able to come back from the double digit first half deficit and tie it (at 40) and then we let Indiana go on a 9-0 run which we never recovered from.
I've mentioned over and over that I'm not impressed with our defense. There is a reason why we're ranked in the 30s in defensive efficiency on Ken Pom. And that showed tonight.
- Is there a fucking reason why Jordan Hulls (a 50% 3-point shooter) was given 3 wide open looks from 3? And to no one's surprise he knocked them all in. Why didn't we have Stauskas or Levert (who both have 6 inches on him) blanket him the entire game?
- Nik Stauskas did not play well against Ohio. And he did not play well against Indiana. He was 0-4 on 3-point shots in the 1st half. And 3 of those attempts were wide open.
- Glenn Robinson was exposed tonight. Because he is not a good ball-handler, he could not create for himself by attacking the basket. He was getting stonewalled by IU defenders at the perimeter.
- Box. The. Fuck. Out.
We let Zeller get two putback dunks in the 2nd half that kept IU's momentum going.
- I'm annoyed that we didn't play extended zone or 1-3-1 in this game. We also should've ran a full-court press to force Zeller to come and help. This would've prevented him from being able to establish early position in the post.
I have some other thoughts (mostly negative) but this is what stands out in my mind right now.
I'll focus on the positives later.
This post was edited by Frank C 17 months ago
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Most of those problems could have been overcome, but as you said, having terrible starts to a game makes it a lot tougher.
On the other hand, Stauskas and Robinson couldn't get going in the toughest environment they ever played in, Morgan was fairly limited pushing McGary and Horford into extra minutes against an All-American, Burke and Hardaway were forced to press against excellent defenders to make up for the rest of the lineup.....
and it still took that horrible call on the Oladipo and one to put this team on the ropes.
Wooooooo moral victories!
I think our defensive weakness got exposed because IU moves the ball so well. We have never done well at helping/recovering when the ball is reversed.
Those seem like excuses and "ain't nobody got time for that."
- There's no excuse for the oft-reliable Stauskas to start missing open 3s. He should've learned something from the loss @ Ohio.
- I understand that Glenn Robinson struggled because he lacks ball-handling skills. Like I said, he was exposed tonight. He has no mid-range game because he can't pull up and hit a 15 footer. He also struggled to score in the post as well.
- I'm not sure that Morgan would've played better defense on Zeller than McGary did on Zeller.
McGary actually played pretty well. He would be so much better if he could hit the mid-range jump shot. That way we would be able to run the pick-and-pop.
- But the big issue for me is our defense. Right now, we are not playing championship caliber defense. We let a fucking Ohio team that struggles on offense get a huge lead on us in the first half. And in crunch time, we couldn't stop them in the second half.
Same thing happened tonight.
You mention Oladipo. Yes, he got the benefit of a questionable call but we couldn't prevent him from getting into the lane which caused our defense to collapse. I was hoping that the Minnesota game would've prepared us for his aggressive athleticism. Unfortunately, we had no one that could blanket him.
- I do think that Michigan will win against IU in Crisler. I just hope that we can beat IU on a neutral court as well.
- I also hope that we run Ohio out of the fucking court in Crisler. I cannot stand those numbnuts.
This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by Frank C 17 months ago
I agree man, BOX OUT!! Not boxing out bugs me so much cause it's all about effort and discipline which any time should have especially ours.
I know one game doesn't mean much but I hope this shows Robinson he's not ready for the league
Can I ask what you were expecting to happen tonight?
You know what? I'm glad everyone is pissed off and not satisfied. This goes to show how far this program has come. We expect to win and be the best. I'm glad Michigan basketball is back!
Tough to box out on Zeller when you have to help out on the guy who just got beat on the dribble. I thought McGary played awesome. And Frank C....I feel ya on the Jordan Hulls. WTF. Who was guarding him? McGary was holding his own against Zeller in the post, and we decide to leave one of the top 5 shooters in the country. Not real smart, not to mention we closed out slow on him. That is the one guy you close out....out of control on because driving to the basket isn't his strong suit. Poor defense on Hulls all game.
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I think one problem with the defense is it seems to be a reflection of the offense at times. If Michigan is having success offensively then they tighten up their defense. However, (especially in the OSU and IU games) if they start out cold offensively then the defense just folds. Hopefully Beilein is able to emphasize that good defense should be a constant thing and not come and go in waves.
One can have legitimate points about defense and some of the other stuff but it's a bit silly to say "Stauskas should have learned not to miss open 3s". I'm sure that point hasn't been lost on him. I doubt a shooter like Stauskas goes in there and says "you know what? today I'll miss open 3s just for the laughs of it!"
The reality is, and this is a legitimate concern, if you live by your outside shooting, you'll probably die by it as well, because in the moment there's a crap ton of luck and essentially uncontrollable intangibles that can make a significant difference in that department.
This post was edited by UMSkeletor 17 months ago
Please do not twist what I said.
That is beneath someone as intelligent as you who can engage in good discussions.
I typed, "[Stauskas] should've learned something from the loss @ Ohio."
This was in response to bkp's line that reads "Stauskas and Robinson couldn't get going in the toughest environment they ever played in."
Hence, my point was that Stauskas should've learned something about playing in hostile environments from the Ohio loss. And he did which was clear from his performance @ Minnesota. However, he needs to learn to be consistent or contribute in other ways.
Too often, a young player will allow a bad shooting performance to affect other parts of his game. And I saw evidence of some of that tonight.
I agree with much of what Frank has said.
Leaving IU for wide open 3s (in transition or in the half court) was annoying.
Not being able to prevent Oladipo from getting into the lane was frustrating.
And then repeatedly allowing Zeller to get second chance points were wasted opportunities.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Warren G 17 months ago
Frustrating kinda comes with the territory when you are playing a team with two All-Americans.
Let's focus on our guys now:
Indiana couldn't stop Hardaway, either. He outscored Oladipo tonight.
Mitch McGary had as many offensive rebounds as Zeller. He looked pretty strong tonight, too.
And on a night when people are accusing him of being selfish, Trey Burke had 8 assists.
This post was edited by bkp1883 17 months ago
I was actually expecting Michigan to start off cold and allow Indiana to run out a big lead. I've seen this enough times to not expect this. This has become a disturbing trend this season (and it's reminiscent of games from prior seasons under Coach Beilein).
However, I expected much of the game to be played at a 3-5 point spread especially going into the final minutes. I was somewhat right about this.
But I was definitely not expecting Stauskas to go 0-4 from deep (with 3 of those looks being open). I definitely was not expecting Jordan Hulls to be left so wide open for his 3 point attempts.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Frank C 17 months ago
Zeller was the key to their victory....as simple as that
One note on running the 1-3-1. Beilein has been talked about how he can't run it as much as he used to in previous coaching stops, the B1G has too many good shooters. I only noticed them running it once last night and Hulls nailed a 3.
I agree with the OP. But frankly, this comes directly from our Freshman playing like freshman.
Stuaskas missing shots on the road? GRIII completely lost? McGary not boxing out? Even Albrecht looked lost.
Without Morgan at C, that hurt a lot too.
I think this is the kind of game we must have to have a tournament run. I would prefer to lose a few more of these, actually, before March.
All in all, we did not play great, but played decent, and hung with what is going to be the #1 team in the country tomorrow. Beilein will make adjustments, and if he is as good as we think, the kids will learn.
I agree with all of this.
Was becoming difficult to watch. I literally wanted to turn the game off, when it went from 40-40....to 49-40. But I just couldn't do it.
Then when #4 Oladipo(sp) got that ridiculous, beyond NBA continuation...I had to let go for the night. That was either a travel or a jumpball. No way in hell was that a "and-one" foul on us. Screw That!
i think the way i look at it is it was a great game to watch. both teams played very hard and really well. just what one would expect from 2 highly ranked teams. the BIG is stacked this year, and i think all of the top teams will beat each other up for a few losses, but all of the top 4 teams can make very deep runs in the big dance. no reason to be very upset after a game like this IMO
Great points Frank. I would add that Burke needs to better run the offense instead of dribbling around the perimeter and taking 28 foot jump shots at the end of the shot clock. He also didn't have a very good game at the defensive end of the floor, imo. As you stated Hulls is their week link and I don't for the life of me know why Beilein didn't run our offense to take advantage of that. All of our guards can shoot right over the top of him and we just didn't exploit that match-up enough, imo. I think when we play them at home the game will play out a little different. I only got to watch the last half of the game and I felt we had some advantages in match-ups we just didn't use them very effectively.
This post was edited by Amazinglyblue78 17 months ago
Interesting takes. I cruised over to this board to see the UM fan perspective on that game. IU is loaded, no doubt, and they always clean up at the free throw line at home. Don't forget, they still have to travel to A2 and East Lansing...
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