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And I respect Teo and the impact he makes for ND, I just don't think that he's a once in a generation type defensive impact player. If people want to say that he's worthy of the Heisman than I think people should also mention Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore, etc but I don't think any of those players is worthy of winning the Heisman this year. A lot of Teo's publicity comes from the unfortunate and terrible incident that happened to his family, I know that most people don't want to admit that but if you compare his numbers to Jarvis Jones, is Teo really that much more deserving?
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Notre Dame has been absolutely irrelevant for the last 20 years, but despite their irrelevance, the media still fellated ND like they actually mattered on a regular basis. ND was consistently ranked in the top 5, and then fell out of the rankings within a month practically every single year. So, for all of us other college football fans, we had to put up with a collective media and fan delusion every single year until ND finally lost enough games to kill any chance they had at a post-season. Every single year, the rest of the CFB world had to listen to ND fans and the media insist that ND was amazing and relevant, and it was annoying as all hell.
Now, ND is finally actually relevant (thanks to the Stanford refs and an incredible streak of luck), and ND fans are acting like they're actually the kings of the world. It's like every single weakness in ND's game, every single stroke of luck, and every blown call has just been glossed over, and ND fans are as delusional as ever - they've just now transferred that into believing that Manti Te'o is far and away the best player in college football.
Does that help?
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Well I suppose you have to ask yourself...if Jones, Shazier had those same exact events happen to them would they be talked about or in the running for the Heisman?
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By in Heisman discussion, you mean same numbers that they already have, yes, I would have to think that they most likely would.
I would vote for Te'o. I think more defensive players should win it.
IMO Te’o is a lot better than Shazier. Shazier play’s too undisciplined. He’s too feast or famine.
JJ>>>> Te’o though, even though they play different position’s. If were just comparing ILB’s/ MLB’s it would be debatable between Te’o and Minter from LSU IMO.
And if ND fan’s want to award the Heisman to Te’o because of his backstory what about Jarivs Jones back story and what he has had to go through in his life?
This is why I think it’s dumb considering these type of thing’s when giving out the award.
Jarvis Jones was headed down a path of self-destruction following the murder of his brother. But the Georgia linebacker found an outlet for his anger, channeling it into motivation on the football field.
They should. But he’s not the one. If they were going to give it to a defensive player Clowney and Jarvis Jone’s are way more deserving of it.
See now that's the problem. Every other non ND fan in the country wants to blame ND for all of our attention that we get, and not the media. When all the media is doing is trying to get ratings. ND = ratings, and ratings = $$$. Television networks know this. They're not stupid.
I can't remember the last time we were preseason top 5 other than 2006 either.
And do you not think the Irish are deserving of our ranking and a shot in the national title game?
I can't believe you still don't get it.
Look, it doesn't matter who's responsible for putting ND all over everything, the fact of the matter is that regardless of who's responsible, everyone else gets sick of looking at ND. Contrary to your opinion, constant ND coverage is actually quite annoying for most people. So, whether it's done for ratings, or people actually believe ND is that good, or whatever, it doesn't matter - everyone else is sick of constantly hearing about ND, and the attitude of many ND fans doesn't help.
As for this year - of course you're deserving of your ranking and your spot in the national title - but it's simply foolish to try to ignore the fact that Notre Dame is far from some juggernaut stampeding through their schedule, and that their undefeated record is due to a number of timely plays, some very generous calls, and a whole lot of luck (and in all fairness, most undefeated records are like this - OSU's record this year is another good example).
You hate ND because of what the media does...that makes zero sense dude. You're right I guess I'll never get it.
And when did I say we're a juggernaut running through our schedule? And it also doesn't matter how we got to 12-0 the fact remains...we're 12-0 no matter how you slice it. You can try to talk it down how we got there but we got there.
Playing it down like this makes you sound like a MSU fan. Do you realize this? Give credit where credit is due bro. We got through our schedule unscathed. That's very tough to do. And you can't take anything away from this team.
Clearly, you ignored the entire part about delusional ND fans playing into this media-created firestorm of ND hype every year. That's a large part of why I dislike ND.
Second, just by saying "you can't take anything away from this team" you're falling into the trap of refusing to acknowledge the flaws and faults with your team, and the luck that's required to get to 12-0. Literally the only fanbase in the country that thinks that Stanford didn't score is ND - that should tell you something. I've given ND plenty of credit - the win against Oklahoma was legit. The win against USC was legit (although, again, how lucky is it that Barkley got hurt and didn't play?). The win against us was legit. However, you must be high on something if you can't see just how much help ND has needed to get to 12-0.
Me not thinking Te’o is deserving of the Heisman has nothing to do with me hating on ND or the attention they get. If JFF was playing for ND right now, he would still have my Heisman vote if I had one.
TBH I never really hated ND. They haven’t really done a whole lot, in the past 20 years for me to hate them. The media coverage is annoying, but it is what it is, they are the biggest brand in all of CFB. I understand why some people might get mad that religion is brought in almost every game they play but what do you expect? It’s a Catholic school. That would be like someone watching the Army-Navy game and complaining about how much the military is brought up.
Did the Stanford running backs forward progress stop?
Oh and blame Barkley, don't blame ND for winning the game.
You call ND fans delusional? Look in the mirror. See this is the biggest mistake ND haters have always made. The hate consumes them (you) so much to the point where they (you) simply stop making sense. Reason and logic completely go out the window. Being delusional works both ways in this scenario.
An ND fan and an ND hater will never come to an agreement about anything. It's impossible.
Hey some level headedness whaddya know
Forward progress stopped and the whistle got blown, game over. Should we have just waited there all night long waiting for the running back to get across the plain?
Exactly, he would have pulled a Denard
Because Bama would never have been a missed field goal away in OT from losing to Pitt at home. Also the way that Bama beat Michigan and the way ND beat Michigan is very telling, objectivity at its best right here folks.
Ok, do you want Teo to win the Heisman or do you want to win against the SEC? What is more important, because it wont be both.
That was the most retarded comparison ever....how many TD's, return yards, receiving yards and rushing yards does Teo have this year....Also, why dont you figure out how many times the ball was thrown over at Woodson's direction that year compared to how many times the ball was thrown into coverage where Teo was and get back to me, because if you dont recall, teams would avoid passing to Chuck's half of the field on a regular basis.
Also, Woodson had 8 interceptions and Teo only has 7 this year....so your wrong again. Woodson had more then 500 yards of offense in '97, which occurred in limited play....too bad Teo cant play Fullback to pad his stats with pancake block or something.
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This play says Teo is not worthy....enough said
well not really considering how many teams would avoid throwing to Woodson. Can you do the research of how many CB's or other positions got more then 8 Int's in a single year? Because all of them would be better then Woodson and Teo combined.
The argument that Teo "is the best defender on the best team" is faulty. Why you ask? Because if ND had 2-3 loses which could have easily happened depending on some accurate play calls by officials, or lack of a fortuitous missed field goal, Teo would be a good linebacker on a decent team; hence, there would be no Heisman discussion for him if ND had a few losses, which means that he isn't a Heisman caliber player then....so just because his team is undefeated, he gets Heisman recognition??
Good God man, of course I call you delusional if you can't see how lucky ND has been this season.
The Stanford call is a 50-50 call, at best. ND was lucky that it came down in their favor.
Denard had literally the worst game of his career, and ND only won by 7.
Pitt missed an easy FG that they make 9/10 times.
Purdue missed wide-open players on the last drive.
Arguably the best passer in college football was injured and couldn't play against ND.
All the credit in the world is due to ND for somehow making it through the schedule undefeated, but if you seriously think that undefeated record can solely be chalked up to ND's skill, and isn't due in large part to a lot of luck, you must be high on something. Stop claiming that my hate is just blinding me and take 5 seconds to actually read my post and consider what I'm saying.
You want to talk objectivity? Michigan fans actually thought they had a shot against Alabama. Notre Dame fans have the same mindset but we get ridiculed for it.
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