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I had to post this.
Look at the attached picture. This a picture I took of Denard's third interception. This is the moment Denard has finished his PA motion to Fitz. Notice the defenders: #7 Tuitt, #9 Nix, and #5 Te'o have absolutely no reaction to the PA, with the former two attacking Denard, and Te'o dropping back into the targeted zone.
Here is what Borges expects Robinson to do:
1. Plant and step into the 326lb DT charging him,
2. Make a read with two defenders in his face and an into an uneffected coverage,
3. Complete a pass from a 5'11 QB to a 5'8 receiver OVER A 6'6 defensive end,
4. All in a fraction of a second.
Put Bellomy in and the result is only better in the sense that you have a pile of goo in the backfield at the end of the play rather than a turnover.
And now Denard fumbles. Wow.
This post was edited by bkp1883 19 months ago
No picture, but agree with the premise.
You didn't attach a picture, but I agree that Borges is questionable at best.
Now that the picture is there, the guy in the middle (Gallon?) is wide open.
And he tries to throw it to him, but overthrows because he has to throw over two guys who are immediately in his face and each at least 4 inches taller than him.
And he's on his back foot so it's not a strong throw.
If he throws it with proper footwork who knows where it goes cause he's getting flattened by Nix.
I'm not saying Denard handled it well. I'm saying he was put into a nearly impossible situation and did what should have been expected.
Oh I'm not arguing at all. Bad call by Borges and bad execution by Denard = 3/4 INTs. Last one I'm ok with.
Denard is a sufficient passer to be the most dangerous weapon in all of college football. Al Borges is either too arrogant or inept to use him correctly.
I've been arguing the same things for a year. The same thing happened in the MSU game all of last year. The D doesn't give a rats ass about Denard and playaction. Every defense has the same idea to contain Denard and stop him running first. The other thing i noticed today is that with the more fakes and the more Denard is moving around the less he gets his footwork right on his throws. Borges needs to pretty much eliminate all that crap from the playbook.
I think bkp's post captures why so many Michigan fans - including me - are upset with Al Borges and his dubious play calling.
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Listened to mark may this morning. He is 100% right. Let denard be denard! Al needs to stop drilling into his head to stay in the pocket! Unleash denard and the passing game will open up. So frustrating!!!! I was so pleased when the new coaching staff came in and said they wouldn't do what RR did and try and run a offense without the personnel. Seems like al is trying to do that now and it's upsetting.
Denard seems pretty decent in the 3 step drops...it's on the deep drops he gets in trouble. Their motto should be...at the sign of any pressure, tuck and run.
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
Last two posts were simple and perfect
Great breakdown on how terrible Borges has been at setting up the play action that I just read... Poster said it seems like Borges is so inept and then sits back and says " See what I have to deal with with Denard"... Borges is looking worse than RR at adapting to players.
Im sorry, but where does aybody get the idea that Denard is a good passer outside the pocket? He is horrendous thrower on the run and outside the pocket taking him out of the pocket would have only made matters worse, in fact his first pick was on a rollout throw and was by far his worst throw of the night. The time he actually throws the ball well is when he is IN THE POCKET and sets his feet. Yesterday, You saw everything snowball on him and he had what I would like to call a Flukey preformance as he reverted back to old habits. Denard only turned it over 1 time. You may laugh, but I would say that was a positive. I think 1-2 turnovers a game is a resonable expectation for him based on his career to date, he reverted back to the mean in the second half and showed that he turnover fetish he was having the first half was a fluke. Bottomline, Michigan was dominating that game going into the 4th quarter Michigan had 236 total yards to ND 140 and were dominating time of possession as well even with the 6 turnovers. Turnovers were the story of the game and failed attemps in the redzone. Denard fumbling that ball on 3rd and 3 on the 20 yardline as we are driving for a touchdown summed up the whole game. Just was not his night, as nobody even really hit him on that play he just bobbled the ball. Borges, I thought did not call a good sequence of plays after Golson's first interception at the beginning of the game and then I thought he called a questionable HB trick play, because the offense was rolling at the time. Outside of that Borges called a great game, again just didn't execute. , our offense moved the ball up and down the field on a pretty good defense in Notre Dame sans the turnovers. This wasn't a situation where they just shut us down, Michigan shut themselves down and ND like any good team would/should do took advantage. Credit to ND, something they have not done in a long time. Team will respond after this loss.
You are absolutely right. Denard is a good passer when he steps up into the pocket. He is even a more dangerous runner when he steps up into the pocket.
However, the problem is that with all of these completely worthless PAs (at least two of the INTs came on similar PAs), he has no pocket to step up into. The linemen and Toussaint completely abandoned the pocket selling the run that ND knew was not coming or would be ineffectual. The result is Schofield trying to catch up with Nix when he likely thought he would be riding him down the line of scrimmage, and Hannibal Lecter bearing down on Denard unblocked.
Maybe a third/fourth year Shane Morris completes a beauty of touch pass that gets Gallon decleated by Te'o. But you put any of the QBs on either sideline, Gardner, Bellomy, Golson, Rees, hell 90% of college QBs in the position he put Denard in, and the play still ends in some degree of disaster.
I'm glad I'm not the only one questioning Borges and his play calling abilities. Big game after big game the play calling has been suspect, MSU last year, Alabama this year and now ND.
1. Al Borges calls a play.
2. Said play call results in a wide open WR.
3. Pass rush gets to Denard quicker resulting in bad throw.
4. Poor throw results in turnover.
5. BLAME BORGES. AWFUL PLAY CALL! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Option 1: Do as they suggest, using Denard similar to RR. BLAME BORGES, Denard can't be our only offense. He can't have that many carries. We need to adjust and use a hybrid offense.
Option 2: Do as we are (hybrid offense), using Denard in some ways similar to RR and using some of Borges offense. BLAME BORGES, we need to use Denard like RR did. Denard needs to run more.
Either way, people are going to complain and blame Borges whether it is deserved or not.
There's a flaw to your thinking.
ND is willing to leave that WR open because the ND defense is betting that it can get to Denard, pressure him, and force at least an incompletion (if not a turnover).
ND's gamble clearly worked. Multiple times.
mgovideo's highlights are attached. Pardon the music.
Fastforward to the 30 second mark and you will see the play in question.
At the point of the screen capture, Denard has just completed his play action motion and is sizing up Tuitt coming free. He probably expects this, as Schofield is blocking down on Nix, the DT. Denard then quickly plants and turn up field as Tuitt charges. Of course, since the PA is not set up by any run success and is extremely slow developing, Nix has simply charged straight up field and flown right by Schofield, who really didn't have a chance.
Denard, who does see the wide open receiver, is faced with some serious pressure from two sides. His rushed footwork is rushed and bad as he basically hops into his stance. Denard throws it off his back foot as Nix arrives to drive him into the turf, and the ball sails over Gallon's head.
Does Matt Barkley make a completion here? Probably. But this is not a good position for Denard to be in. There isn't a QB in the Big 10 who is going to do a whole lot better when put in this position.
So ultimately, yes, Denard made a bad throw and a turnover.
But Borges is primarily to blame for two reasons:
1. This is one more example of Borges ignoring reality when it doesn't agree with his game plan. He did this alot last year. In this instance he constantly went back to that slow play action when ND was obviously showing it no respect. Nix and Tuitt staying hard at home on Denard RPS'd us back to the Alabama game.
2. This is the second year coaching Denard and he thinks that not only can he turn Denard into Matt Barkley, but that it would be best to use him like Matt Barkley.
The only call I question by Borges was the halfback pass when offense was getting a rhythm. It was early in the 1st quarter and we didn't need to get fancy. Just needed to put some points on the board to quiet the crowd. ND's front is overrated in my opinion....we ran the ball for 4+ yards whenever we needed to. The misdirection we used in the first drive was genius by Borges and shoud've stuck with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If a defense has to hesitate and respect the reverse or read option, they more times than not will not be able to keep up with Denard on the edge. Borges play calling is fine other than 1 or 2 instances
There's a flaw to your thinking (2 actually).
1. You are assuming ND is choosing to leave him wide open (unlikely).
Even if you assume they do leave him wide open on purpose, it brings up flaw #2 in your thinking.
2. The play call is designed to get people open, which it did. Pressure getting to the QB at all/faster than desired is indicative of a lack of execution up front, not a bad play call. Denard with a bad throw is also execution related, not a bad play call.
For the 1st time all year, our pass pro wasn't very good, but of course everyone wants to blame Borges' play calling, which wasn't that bad. The strength of their defense (interior front 7 - Tuitt, Nix, Te'o) outperformed our weakness on offense (interior OL). We were still able to move the ball on them on the ground and air when we executed properly. We attacked their weaknesses (secondary, edges on defense) - that is indicative of good play calling. Was it perfect or even great? I wouldn't go that far, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people are suggesting. And the loss wasn't certainly all Borges fault (or Borges and Denard), but people want to overreact and blame everything on Borges and/or Denard and claim one needs to be fired and the other benched. It's idiotic.
Also, just because the other team's gamble works, doesn't mean our team had a bad game plan. We execute better against their gamble and light up the scoreboard everyone is talking about how Borges is a genius - though the calls would differ none.
Vince INT was execution, should have threw it away or just taken the tackle.
Denard INT targeting DG on slant = all execution, DG was wide open
PA INT = awful blocking on Nix. Omameh got no chip and Schofield didn't get a good block. Nix gets blocked, Denard has time to make the throw accurately, regardless of Tuitt rushing in. Throw was off as a result. Again, execution related, not a bad play call. Nix and Tuitt would be charging up the field on any and every play. If Nix is blocked properly, Denard can easily step up or even stay where he was and make an accurate throw, Tuitt meant Denard couldn't scramble outside or check down to Funchess - though Funchess was covered decently.
Hail Mary INT - Don't really care about it, didn't have an impact on game. Though I blame the WR for slowing down too early.
I thought our pass pro was very good. 2 of those 3 sacks were the direct result of Denard running into a Notre Dame defender when he had all day to throw the last sack ND had in the game was a perfect example of this on 2nd and goal from the 6. Skip ahead in this video to 46:58 as you can see Denard has plenty of time to throw... instead of stepping up in the pocket and taking whats their or simply throwing the ball away he runs right into a Notre Dame defender.
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