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You're not passing Bama or ND unless Bama absolutely destroys them. I think you'll be behind Oregon and Georgia after the bowl game too.
6-3 or 2-3. Which record would you take in BCS Bowls?
I'd put OSU at #4 in terms of talent. Bama #1, ND #2, Georgia #3, OSU #4, Florida #5, LSU #6.
I don't think the "OSU almost lost to ____" arguments hold any water when you consider that Alabama DID lose, ND was a fieldgoal away from losing to BYU, Purdue and PITT, Georgia got stomped by USC, Florida almost lost to ULL and was in a dogfight with BGSU, etc. Every team in the country had iffy games, and more than just 1 iffy game, but several. I think Meyer's game plan puts OSU on par with about anyone in the country except Bama and Georgia.
Personally I feel OSU at the end of the season was a VERY solid team. Not a GREAT team, but very sound for having a FB as starting MLB, a RB who was recruited as a FB, and a WR core that is average at best.
Have to add that tOSU was installing a completely new system while they peeled off the wins they needed.....They played Wisconsin and UM at the end of the season--which looks like a tough finish, especially because both were playing their best ball of the year. But tOSU probably loses those two games in late September/early October. We simply improved faster than anyone else in the conference. Meyer is a hell of a coach. Switching Fragel to Right Tackle? He'll be drafted on the first day this year, but wasn't going anywhere as a TE.....Wait til you see what he does with the players HE recruits!
That being said, I totally agree about pulling for ALL B1G teams. Especially when ESPenis and the rest of the national media are trashing the MidWest's top conference and football talent overall. No more gleeful celebrations of Appalachian State over UM for me. Fun while it lasted, but it hurts the B1G. Any non-conference win for UM is a plus for tOSU and vice-versa. +1.
Top 10 (6-10).
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
We weren't that good. We had some talent but not a lot.
12-0 was all heart IMO.
You are undoubtedly biased.
Florida and LSU have more talent than Ohio.
Btw, I don't think people have realized it yet but Muschamp is stockpiling talent. If Florida's offense improves to match its defense, then UF will be dominant.
* * * N E O . R E T R O * * *
Not to mention Oregon, Stanford, Kansas State and A&M.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Florida beat OSU by 7 points last year with Luke Fickell coaching and a rushed kick to avoid the refs overturning a dropped TD pass. Both teams are better this year, but I don't see that tremendous gap in talent you're talking about there.
They're the only team in the nation to beat 4 top 12 teams, yes they've played down to some of their competition but you have to give them props for the teams they've beaten. OSU went undefeated and they deserve props for that but UF>OSU. Schedules and level of competition don't lie.
I DEFINITELY think that UF is a very talented team. And I do give them credit for the teams they've beaten, but in my opinion outside of the top 2 (Bama and ND), personally I feel the rest of the top 10 are a crapshoot.
I think it's safe to argue that OSU is #3, and it's safe to argue that OSU is #10, and I wouldn't really disagree with either. I don't feel aside from Bama and ND that there really ARE elite teams this year. Everyone after those 2 I feel has a legitimate argument for the #3 spot, and all 8 (#3-#10) would get blown out by Bama w/Saban having a month to prepare for them.
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I would agree with the consensus 7-10 ranking, I do not think UF is head and shoulders above the bucks, I would take Meyer over Muschump in prep and game plan any day. I do not think OSU would be able to keep up with bama or oregon; ND, KSU,TAMU, and LSU would be tough but the bucks would have a chance in those games. I'm not sure about UGA, they tend to blow games like Va tech and clemson do. As far as schedule is concerned it worked in our favor, but you can not hold that against them too much, schedules are usually determined 5 or more years in advance; give them some credit, OSU has played Texas, USC, and Miami in the past 7 years, and have future deals with Oregon, Texas, Va tech, Oklahoma, and TCU. That being said at least they don't pull the same charades that Wisky pulls when their OOC sched has 2 FCS schools and 2 directional schools in the line up. This team should continue to grow next year, they return a lot of starters, should be interesting to see how they handle the pressure and expectations following this year.
I believe you have to be good and lucky to go 12-0. Look at 2002 for OSU. They were very lucky in a few game that year but were good enough to win the NC. Notre Dame is having the same kind of year as OSU in 2002.
Urban 2 Hoke 0
We *only* gave up by 38 points to Nebraska C'mon, man.
This thread has nothing to do with Michigan's ranking. Glad this thread got you butthurt though.
I'd have Michigan around 15... they did play 2 undefeated teams to a 1 possession game on their fields. Nebraska obviously had strange circumstances, and they weren't ready for Bama week 1.
This logic would imply that ND is also an overrated team at 12-0. They beat you by 7. So if they were as good as a 12-0 team, they'd have beat you by more than 7. Right?
ND is overrated. If you can't see that now, wait for the BCSCG. It's going to be ugly.
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If it sucks, wtf are you here?
Clint, you're obviously not so bright...first off, if you're going to poke the tiger, at least get your facts straight....We gave up 38 points Nebraska and the game was way out of reach in the 4th quarter...the Defense improved steadily from the start of the year and considering the team was inheriting a new system, a new coaching staff and sanctions, the had a great year. Also, since you're obviously a basketball guy, not a football guy, a team that goes 12-0, is not lucky. Good teams win some close games, great teams win them all. Our coach was quite candid, we were a work in progress most of the year. We all know that, but our score with TTUN, should of been much worse. Next year, look out. It was sad to see Michigan slide so far back in Hoke's second year, I don't expect that to happen in Urban's second year. Clint, as a basketball guy, you wouldn't know anything about Urban, but in his second year in every school he has coached, it has been his best year ever at each program, once his "system" was installed and kids bought into his system. You say you are being honest and unbiased, but to say "I really don't think OSU was anywhere near as good as an undefeated squad should be" shows your basketball intelligence.....You obviously have never played nor watched much football. See, it's very hard to win them all as bad breaks happen to every team. Great teams over come and find ways to win them all. When was Michigan's last undefeated team? So enjoy your excellent Michigan basketball team, but please, keep your critiques of OSU football to those who actually watch and understand the game. You don't qualify for that.
Stop. You gave up 49 points to Indiana. Yes, Indiana. Elite teams don't give up 49 points to Indiana unless it's in basketball. Even our RR teams never gave up 49 points to Indiana and those teams literally had the worst defenses in UM football history. You were a good team this year with a lot of flaws. And you were lucky to play a very easy schedule. Period. That's it. Accept it and move on.
I trust Clint's opinion a lot more than yours, you know since he is the son of a previous HC of a Big Ten school and actually played on the Division 1 level.
Go Blue and Go Titans!
Is that not what happened to you guys this year? Don't get me wrong we are not a great team by any means but this is a pure deflection thread. Oh but Meyer is getting scraps at O line so you guys should be good right. (After our OLine and Hyde owned you)
Clearly OSU wasn't a great team this year. But we found a way to win each game. Like UM found a way to beat Air Force,Northwestern and MSU. I think its silly to put down OSU's out of conference schedule when UM's B1G schedule was very weak(no Wisky, no PSU) and you only managed an 8-4 record. Could easily be 7-5 or 6-6 if those teams are on schedule.
I think both teams have serious questions going into 2013. OSU's LBs and CBs(especially if Roby leaves). UM's offense should be a huge concern. How long will Gardner stay healthy with Roundtree gone, an unproven line and recievers. The LBs look solid, but what about the DL and DBs?
Lets see how it plays out. By the way, I thought college football in general wasn't all that great. Why OSU went 12-0 and Notre Dame is in the Title game.
Based on this logic, your team in 2011 was nowhere near as good as what most Wolverine fans believe. You
Beat an Ohio State team that was a train wreck by 6 points. Yet, UM fans were clamoring we're back.
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