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It is almost finals.
I would be thrilled if we only loose Hardaway and Burke at this point.
PG - Walton
SG - Stauskas
SF - Irvin
PF - GRIII
C - McGary
With spike, Levert, Hortford, and Morgan getting most of the sub minutes.
xfactor being Donnal and Bielfeldt
This would be a very good team that would no doubt be ranked in the top ten preseason.
Don't count out Spike to start. Walton is good but Spike has the experience
I wouldn't be surprised if he started. Either way I see them both playing a ton of minutes. The one that doesn't start may be the first guy of the bench.
If that is the starting 5 next year, I hope that they would put GR3 at the SF spot and Irvin at PF. Irvin is taller, stronger, and a better defender imo.
This post was edited by TAMUWolverine 12 months ago
Not an ideal time for 18-19 year old kids to be deciding whether to return to school for another year or sign on the dotted line for millions to play basketball.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 12 months ago
if anything, it would make them want to leave because school is stressful.
A couple things: They are listed at the same height, Robinson is at least 10 LBs heavier and will have a year of college S&C under his belt, and Irvin isn't a better defender.
I don't think the sites are updated. Recent articles have listed Zak Irvin as 6'7.
Point taken on the weight
You can't say that as a fact. It's just a matter of opinion.
Irvin is way more advanced offensively than GRIII, but isn't as good of a natural athlete, and isn't as good of a rebounder.
It may be a matter of opinion, but it's one that's pretty much universally shared among people who scout HS basketball.
Either way if Hardaway leaves you're gonna see both of those guys starting. And Irvin can come in and score 15 a game right from the jump.
I think much of what happens next season depends on how fast Walton and Spike can adequately handle the point.
I think if everyone but Burke stays, we could be really, really good. Even if THJ leaves, I think we can pick up the slack. GRIII and McGary cannot easily be replaced.
Can you link me to the scouts who said this?
GR3 is definitely a better athlete, but he doesn't play aggressive at all. (on both sides of the floor)
From what I've seen, Irvin actually boxes out, which is something not very many players on the team did this year.
One of my friends is pretty close with some/most of the basketball team. He says that no one has mind up their mind, but if he had to guess, Burke and THJ are gone and the freshmen stay. But my friend is an idiot, so he could be very wrong. Just thought I'd share that.
Basically the same speculation everyone else is working with.
Right, except he's actually basing it off of interactions with the players.
I went to high school in the same area as Irvin, and have seen him play a lot. He isn't as good an athlete as GRIII like you said, but how many guys are (he's still a great athlete in his own right though)? Also, Irvin plays hard on defense. He's certainly not a lockdown defender, but he won't seem disinterested on defense like some of Michigan's younger guys did this year. My only complaint was that I felt he sometimes he should go to the bucket more (which he could pretty much do at will in high school, so it's probably a good thing he doesn't care what I think ).
You are more than welcome to disagree.. I don't have time to go digging up year old scouting reports on Robinson and then link paywalled sites .
I'm just telling you what I've read and heard on both.
Irvin is a skilled offensive player, who can create his own shot and has great range as a shooter. He's a good, but not elite athlete. He needs to get stronger and needs a little work on the defensive end, as he had trouble staying in front of guys at times.
Robinson was an all around type of player who is an elite athlete. Can do a little of everything on offense, but was raw and wasn't great at any one aspect. Needed to work on ball handling, and staying aggressive on the offensive end. He wasn't a world beater on defense, but was good and his athleticism and length allowed him to guard 3 different positions on the floor.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Clarkw267 12 months ago
If I was GRIII I would request to play the 3 spot to help showcase his talents to the NBA.
Biggest thing, IMO, regarding Glenn and Mitch is that two guys they are consulting with are Hardaway and Burke. After Burke decided to stay for his sophomore year, do you think he could tell Robinson he's more ready than Trey was after his freshman year? I don't think either of those guys would suggest the two freshman are more NBA ready than they were when they made the decision to stay, and it worked out for them both..
Call me optimistic but Burke would be smart to stay. If he leaves he will be the second or third point guard taken more than likely. Next Year there are no pure point guards in the top ten in the way to early mocks. You cannot tell me a team in the top three will pass up the top point guard (who could possibly be the back to back player of the year)
He is a top 10 pick, you leave.
NBA teams do not care about him being a PG who won back to back player of the year.
This post was edited by Michmania 12 months ago
I understand he is a top ten pick but if he stays and has another great year:
A. He becomes a top three pick after Wiggins and Parker
B. A lot of Nba teams need a PG
C. The difference in top 10 and top 3 is about 1.5 million
D. He wins back-to-back player of the year, can win the national championship he really wants
E. The number 3 gets put up in the rafters
Jason Williams of Duke disagrees.
But that was in the pre-one&done era.
* * * N E O . R E T R O * * *
I understand where you're coming from, but at the end of the day there is too much money on the table for Burke to turn down. Everything you're mentioning is best-case scenario. He would probably maintain his status as a top-10 pick, that's about all. Obviously we would be a favorite to win the national chip (if Burke stays you can bet your life savings that everyone else does) but that is no easy task, no matter how good we are. He doesn't need his number on the rafters for the Michigan faithful to know and recognize what he accomplished here.
Your argument isn't completely out of the question, but Burke's stock is simply too high. I applied similar logic to Tim staying in a post yesterday, but there is a lot more for him to gain/less to lose than Burke in making that choice, and with that he's still probably 50/50.
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