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As far as McGary and Robinson go, it doesn't matter what their strengths or weaknesses are. The NBA is toying with their emotions by essentially to them. They're only selling the money aspect of the league, while conveniently forgetting to tell these kids that they probably aren't ready.
The league is out to fill draft spots with bodies. Since there's a lack of NBA-ready players entering the draft, they need to lure anyone and everyone out of college. It's disgusting, in my opinion. It's basically lying by omission.
I agree. Both of these guys would have zero impact right away. GR3 may have a shot at being a decent player but McGary and TH Jr. will most likely be bench guys.
This is one of my biggest complaints about the NBA. It is so frustrating to continuously watch teams pick purely on potential...which keeps causing these underclassmen to leave before they are prepared. Unfortunately, the days of having dominant upperclassman are almost all but lost (think old school B1G with Calbert Chaeney, Jimmy Jackson, many of the '89 Michigan players, or at least Juwan Howard and Jalen who stayed through their junior years).
This is why I find the need for someone like THJ to stick around and try to improve his game...rather than go to the NBA, sit at the end of someones bench for a few seasons and then call it a career.
Cody Zeller is going to the draft.
this is a great point, i never looked at it that way. I really hope they see through this and come back for another run.
Exactly right. NBA teams are stuck giving guaranteed contracts to their 1st round picks regardless of who is in the draft. So it's in their best interest to have the biggest pool of players available. Either because they have somebody they want and hope other teams will find somebody else they like better, or because they want a larger pool to choose from.
Paying Glenn Robinson knowing he won't contribute for 3 years might be better to them than paying somebody else the same money who they think won't be in the conversation in 3 years. The infamous "upside" argument...
And they don't care about these kids getting better in college because if they go pro and wash out, there's a whole new crop of college players to look at next year.
Holding out hope, and slight delusion, that the reason they haven't declared yet is because they have all talked and decided to come back for one more run
Well, based on the dumb rules, if they declare today, they have to "undeclare" by the 16th (Tuesday) to get their eligibility back. If they do nothing, they can opt-in to the draft any time up until the end of the month. So if there is any hesitation at all, it makes a lot more sense to remain quiet while they evaluate.
Or they're just getting evaluations and thinking about it.
True, you thought Burke would have been a pretty early declaration thought
I'd love for NBA to go the MLB route. If you want to go straight from HS go ahead, but if you sign with a college you're there for 3 years. I would even take 2, as it would be an improvement from the current system.
I agree. I hate the one and done possibility.
I want the NHL model tbh. Draft kids out of high school, but they keep their eligibility and the NBA teams can decide when they want that player.
That way guys that are ready for the NBA can go after high school or freshman year. Guys that have tons of potential but aren't ready get to play the college game as they prepare. Instead of coming out too early and spending a year or two in the D League.
Unfortunately it will never happen since the NBA doesn't want the draft to be a crapshoot.
I can't understand why every sport doesn't adopt the NHL model. True, there is less available info about players at 18, but its a level playing field for all teams and if you draft someone who flames out you never have to sign them .
I personally don't like that idea. Right now there is some aspect of a decision that belongs to each player. The NHL route would take that away because kids would be "owned" by a pro team essentially. If Mark Cuban drafted McGary and was calling him up right now saying, "Get to Dallas tomorrow, we're going to sign you and put you in the D-League for a year to get you ready for next year." he really wouldn't have a choice, would he?
yes i completely agree with this. I may be biased cuz im a hockey player, but i think the NHL does it the best out of all the pro leagues. you get drafted early, then go to college (or major juniors, but thats hockey) and when the team that drafted you feels you are ready they call u up. and even if you dont get drafted before college but go to college and end up being a breakout player that noone knew about, you can still get drafted
That's not how it works. The kid can choose not to sign. It becomes a situation of cooperation - both the team and player want to choose the route that is best for the player. The current NBA model is what's best for the NBA.
To use the McGary example, Cuban can't convince him to sign and go to the D-League - unless they both agree that will be the best developmental place for him. Conversely, Cuban could say "Mitch, stay another year at Michigan. We don't think you're ready yet to be in the Mav's rotation. Another year at Michigan and we think you'll be an NBA-ready monster."
It's really the model that is in the best interest of the players. The exception to that would be the guy who gets drafted and suffers an injury before ever signing, thus ending his career. But that risk exists for players of every sport.
The NHL model doesn't work in basketball because the majority of NHL talent is not in the college ranks.
I see Devin Booker is having an open gym coming up, know Coach K will be there and guessing UM as well
Wrong thread...oh well
This post was edited by Michmania 12 months ago
Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 3m
Syracuse announces sophomore Michael Carter-Williams declares for NBA draft.
So how do these announcements affect our guys?
Do they feel like spots are running out so they should hurry and declare?
Do they feel like their draft projection slips every time someone else declares?
Do they feel more compelled to stay as others in the conference leave?
I'm wish I knew. I've texted my son a couple times to see if he has any inside skinny. He lives in West Quad and knows some of the guys. So far, he's been useless as far as this topic goes.
And btw, I'm not talking about the international kids... I'm talking about the Canadian/US kids who go to the OHL, WHL, National Team Development...
He had a terrible game against us, but good 6'6 PGs are rare. Should be a high pick.
Some promising quotes from our freshmen:
McGary: "This will be a great team next year, with great guys coming in and a great group of guys leaving, you can't replace those five seniors. We'll see. There's some unfinished business. ... We'll see next year."
Robinson: "Right now, I'll be back. We'll talk about that whenever I need to but you know this isn't the time to talk about that right now. It's about all these guys in the locker room that played their hearts out tonight."
Michigan's early outlook on 2013-14 will remain in limbo until NBA decisions are made later this month.
Trey Burke and Tim Hardaway Jr. spoke with emotion after Monday's loss, seemingly replaying the game in their head. Though they had finished the season, they wouldnt say whether it was their last game in a Michigan uniform.
Glenn Robinson III @GRob_1 2m
Stressful week..So much to do/think about!
Steve Lorenz @TremendousUM 26s
He's talking about homework guys, relax
This post was edited by ACWolverine 12 months ago
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