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Talk about a teaching moment example from the coaches. Easily could've just kicked the kid off the team since they'll have Wile and Kenny Allen punting for a full year, then have 3 capable punters (2 on scholarship) back in 2014.
For the overall program, it's up for debate if having Hagerup back in 2014 on scholarship is better than a free spot for a top flight prospect at another position, but in terms of coaches helping a kid out it's clear this is a big statement. Really trying to help Will get back on track it seems.
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This post was edited by Dizzo 11 months ago
Sounds quite apologetic and humbled. He was a really good punter.
Sucks that what he did is even an issue. I bet half of his teammates have done the same but didn't get caught. But team rules are team rules and he agreed to them when he accepted the scholly.
This episode makes me think even more of Coach Hoke. He is willing to go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure his players succeed even if it means he is giving up a competitive advantage (the extra scholarship).
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits. -- Mark Twain
Isn't this pretty much what we did with Stonum? Hopefully Hagerup can get back on track. If not, we've got depth, but it's clear that the coaches don't want to cut a man loose if they can avoid it. Hagerup better be thanking his lucky stars - after Mesko, Michigan punters have been noticed in the NFL, and he stands a much better chance of getting drafted or making an NFL roster if he shows up and plays his heart out his senior season.
do you know something we don't? i thought hagerup was only suspended for unspecified team rule violation. was there ever anything concrete written as to why?
Lots and lots of weed. Not quite Tyrann Mathieu levels, but he got busted multiple times.
Personally I like the move more than kicking him off the team. He sounds like he has a real problem if all his 'team rules' related violations are related, and the rumors surrounding them are true. If it's getting to be this bad, then he needs real help, and giving him a goal to work toward is a lot more helpful to him as a person than just cutting him loose and leaving him to his own devices.
JT Floyd and Brandin Hawthorne both missed their last game in a Michigan uniform, which was a trip for a bowl game. I bet other teammates have smoked, and are smoking, but when you get caught doing it during the season, you're going to get suspended.
I'm about to go break some unspecified team rule. Wish me luck.
Not a fan of giving a guy a fourth chance.
I would have kicked him off the team but allowed him to remain in school if he chose to do so. He would have to pay his own way.
He's had enough chances. And it is a pain for the program that they'll have to carry him on scholarship for an extra year. Next year's class is already going to be tiny and it just got a little bit smaller.
Have each of these violations been under Hoke?
IMO, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, a guy can get caught smoking weed ten times and should be kept on the team longer than a guy getting caught stealing or assaulting. I know it's a violation of team rules, but there's a reason the ganja is getting decriminalized left and right.
I think you have to trust the coaches on this one.
This is clearly not a football decisions...we don't need Hagerup on the roster, and heck...getting rid of him would free up a scholarship.
Clearly Hoke made a decision that the best thing for the kid is to give him another chance. I am ok with that. I presume he will be on a very tight rope, ala Stonum, and there are no more chances available.
Is it his fourth chance? I thought his first violation was end of 2010 (under RR), then the second was beginning of 2011 for the first 4 games. Then he was suspended for the bowl, and opened spring still suspended which was parlayed into the full year suspension after his third violation of team rules, and second under Hoke. That was my understanding at least. For a guy whose not actually been in trouble with the law (unless I'm forgetting something), that doesn't seem overly lenient.
This post was edited by MercuryHayes 11 months ago
+1 for you... He should be punished for breaking team rules, but if the problem is he's been smoking weed that seems like a much less serious violation than a lot of others I can think of.
At least Hoke is consistent. It's exactly the punishment he gave Stonum after his third strike. I also wouldn't put money on Hagerup not slipping up again. I hope he doesn't. He has an NFL leg and I would love to see him get things back on track and be successful at the next level. But sitting around for a whole season with nothing but school and practice to look forward to is going to be tough.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 11 months ago
I think there's a bit of a loophole because the first violation occurred under the previous HC. I'm not sure Hoke will be giving fourth chances to players who let him down three times. I certainly wouldn't test it if I were a player.
It doesn't effect this class and if he slips up again then a spot opens up for the 2015 class. If he flies straight then Michigan has an all-B1G punter for that season.
Agree on 2014. We could be a real contender for the 4-team playoff and it wouldn't hurt to have one of the best punters in the country.
dude well said i agree 100 percent.alcohol and tobacco are worse for you than weed...
They haven't all been under Hoke.
I understand the argument for giving him another chance. I don't think what he did to break the rules should matter. Regardless of anyone's views on legalizing weed, it's still a rule that sounds like it's been broken continuously. I've always been a bit more old school (or whatever the proper term may be in this situation) as far as leniency. It's unfair to the players who do it the right way for four years despite what I imagine is countless temptations to do the opposite.
I guess I'm in the majority, I really do not care what rules the kid breaks. Rules are rules. It is pretty impressive the coaches did not kick him off the team. Hopefully the incentive to come back is enough to help him clean up and get his act together. Chances are he will not be back. I wish him the best.
And now we are at 84
Dizzo you could also argue that a teaching moment could've been made by the coaches if they had kicked him off the team. A teaching moment for everyone that rules are rules, and as a member of a team, you follow the team rules. The team, the team, the team.
We're not at 84, Hagerup is still on scholarship even though he's suspended.
That is very impressive of the coaches then. Suspending a punter with 2 others I believe on scholarship that can take his place. I hope Will appreciates the opportunity he has been given and learns from this. It would have been very easy and probably more beneficial to just let him go. Just one more example of coach Hoke and Co. showing that they really do care for their team members.
Torn is one way to sum it up.On one hand the violation is silly to begin with.I would much rather him smoke than drink anyone that has done both knows how dangerous alcohal is in comparison.On the other hand THE TEAM THE TEAM THE TEAM.His multiple infractions and total disreguard for THE TEAM.Show his teammates that he is'nt holding himself accountable to them on or off the field.
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