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No way would i use a lottery pick on Harris.
Well... NBA GM's will.
Man people are really misinterpreting what I am saying. I am not saying Robinson is better now. If you ask me Harris isn't Nba ready yet either. Neither of them would be a big contributor next year if they went pro after this year. What I am saying is I see much more upside for Robinson than I do Harris so I would draft Robinson over Harris considering in my opinion neither would be big contributors next year.
Good for them. Some team will be wasting a lottery pick then.
The thing with Robinson is he's really athletic, but his overall lateral quickness isn't elite when guarding someone. He also isn't an "active" defender. There have been a handful of times where he's stepped in front and stolen the ball for a breakaway slam, but someone like Harris, with his reach and more active hands is just more effective. Robinson, along with most of Michigan's team, just isn't very active on defense. Robinson is just in a tough situation. He's playing a position he was told he wasn't going to play, and has never played in his life. And in some cases, are total mismatches(i.e. Ryan Evans). Evans was/is a 5th year senior, and is grown. Robinson, on the hoof, looks like he has a great body(and he does), but he desparately needs muscle, especially on the lower half. He is nowhere near equipped to guard other teams 4's most of the time. And he's only 6'6(I THINK), because Ryan Evans was looking over him, and I thought he was 6'7. It would be great if Robinson wasn't done growing, and could add atleast 10 pounds of muscle going into his sophomore season. That would also increase his overall explosion/vertical, like he really needs any of that lol..
This post was edited by Jbolin9992 13 months ago
You're showing your bias.
Harris was easily the best Frosh in the best conference in college basketball. His last game was probably his worst of the season, but prior to that he demonstrated the ability to consistently produce on both ends of the court against top competition, despite not being 100%.
Showing bias? I said earlier in the thread i think Payne is the most gifted kid in the league. I wondered why scouts had Hardaway ahead of Deshaun Thomas. I just don't see a lottery pick in Harris. Being best Frosh at the college level doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA. I think Harris is a heckuva college player right now but i just don't see a lottery pick.
Robinson is just a hair over 6'6" IIRC.
Also I agree with you about him being in a tough spot having to guard the 4 spot. However, if you're an elite athlete, you still should be able to impact the game on the defensive end like a Rodney Williams.
He should definitely stay, I don't think his family is hurting for money and he's not ready to be a factor in the NBA yet. We shall see.
Definitely, but someone like Rodney Williams is an even better athlete than Robinson, that's the thing. He is also taller(by an inch atleast I'd say), has a longer wingspan, and a higher vertical. He also takes more pride in his defense, lets be honest. Most of the guys on this Michigan team don't really look like they value defense as much as they should. Some of it is youth, some of it is just taking the personality of your HC/coaching staff as a whole. It does rub off on you. It's a finesse team, plain and simple. But, we have the athletes now as a whole to be MUCH better on defense than we are. Watch some team like Wisconsin play D. Their athletes aren't half as what Michigan's are, but their overall team defense and even 1 on 1 D is LIGHT years above Michigans. It just boggles my mind really. I think Robinson would benefit from being a 3 year college player. Then I think he'd leave, be a top 5 draft pick, and be fully ready for the NBA by that point. 3 years probably won't happen, but a man can dream.
Also, Rodney Williams is a senior. He has a 4 year gap on Robinson pretty much. That's a huge difference in one's mental game and overall body.
GR3 is too high. Hardaway is too high. Burke is too low.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
I think Harris would benefit greatly from another year at MSU(then he'd be READY ready IMO, assuming he stays healthy). I am not sure if he will opt to stay another year(we all hope he DOESN'T haha), but I think it would be the SMARTEST move for him. He's the best freshman in the league, but I don't think he's THAT ready for the NBA. A lot of kids aren't though. It's all about potential, ya know..
What upside do you think Robinson possesses that Harris does not, if I may ask? Is it because of the occasional highlight dunks he has and that he has a super sweet vertical? Don't fall in love with the hops, although ya know, chicks dig it ;). Harris, as an overall BASKETBALL player, has more total skills than Robinson at this point, and that's only going to get better for Harris. He's just going to perfect his craft. The thing with Harris is he can create his own shot fairly easy because he has a great first step and his length is impressive for a 2 guard. He's a 6'6 shooting guard who looks like he can run for days, and can work without the ball very well for a young kid. He's good(and smooth) at coming off of screens and knocking down the 3(by the way, he has a beautiful stoke and good lift on his shot), or he can get to the bucket going either way.
Robinson's jump shot in general needs a lot of work. He needs to use more legs(much more), IMO. Robinson has big-time upside, I agree, but Harris is also just scratching the surface himself, and has more to his game than Robinson IMO.
Next year's roster: G Walton G Hardaway F Stauskas F Robinson III C Morgan/McGary/Horford backups: G Albrecht G Irvin/Levert F ? F Donnal C Bielfeldt
I can't see another year with Robinson at the 4, even with added weight/strength. Gosh, I just don't wanna! But, in the end, that's how it will be under Beilein...
I do expect much improvement out of Robinson next season(as we all should), even if he does stay at the 4. I'll take that anyday over him opting out for the NBA Draft LOL.
Harris is a jump shooter. Robinson is a slasher who gets buckets at the rim. Robinson is a better finisher. Robinson has shown a few times this year that he can take the ball to the rim on his own and finish. I believe he will be better than Harris in this regard. Robinson's release on his jump shot is inconsistent. At times it looks really pretty but other times it just doesn't look right coming out of his hand. With time in the gym working on it I believe he can elevate his shooting percentage on his jump shots where Harris is pretty much at his peak in that regard.
I disagree that Harris is good at creating his own shot or getting to the rim. From what I have seen he is pretty much a jump shooter.
Agreed. Harris is lethal on jump shots but Robinson can drive to the rack and get a 3 point play or a dunk. In the the games I've watched, Harris doesn't really drive.
IDK man, agree to disagree. Harris is a shooter, you're right. A very good one at that. Much better and more efficient than GROB will ever be in that regard. He is also a slasher himself IMO(although not as much as Robinson, because he just free lances it seems...which isn't a good thing a lot). He gets to the bucket a lot more than Robinson does and can finish very well. Robinson has the butterfingers too much too. Harris's handles are just flat better and more smooth than Robinson. He is fairly adept at using both hands, which is crucial, especially when you're a young guy. You're already ahead of the curve. Being able to finish with your left is so undervalued.
And idk, their have been times where I've seen MSU go ISO with Harris and clear everyone out, and more often than not he gets to the bucket with relative ease. I just think his overall basketball skill is another notch above Robinson's.
I'm really not sure where the misconception comes from that Harris isn't a high level athlete that can't create off the dribble.
He's not JJ Redick. Guy can handle the ball, drive by you, and finish at the rim if you don't close out under control.
from watching games this year, GR3 is the better finisher.
Maybe if you're talking about catching lobs, or on the break. Harris has far better ball handling skills, and body control in the lane.
IDK, I guess we're watching different games.
When he gets in the line, he finishes well with dunks/reverse layups but he stays out on the perimeter too often.
Harris is 6'4 (not 6'6 as stated above) and doesn't have "elite athleticism". He's an excellent finisher around the rim. Obviously a better shooter and scorer than GR3 at this point. Until Robinson shows he can consistently score or create his own shot, I think he should stay and work on his game. I don't think either should leave after this year.
I gotta agree with Willy here. Harris is a hell of a player and much further along in his development than GRIII, and that's exactly why GRIII is a much more attractive prospect in the NBA. GM's look at Robinson and just think about what they can mold him into. I'm not saying Harris isn't a great athlete because he is (just check out his foot all highlights). But Glenn Robinson's don't come around everyday. His size and frame are really the biggest thing, and he's just got so much more room to grow as a perimeter player. I just don't see what areas of Harris' game are going to get that much better. Obviously I'm not saying he won't improve as a player, but at the NBA level I just don't see Harris as anything more than a solid guard prospect. And that's not a slight at all, I see the same projection for Tim Hardaway Jr. But Robinson just has the potential to be a Iguodala/smaller Rudy Gay type player. Potential pretty much trumps every thing else when it comes to drafting in the NBA
If Hardaway and Robinson come back we will have a very good and deep team next year.
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