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  • xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    tOSU has a pretty good running back already committed besides Dunn. Warren Ball, a 4* on all sites besideds ESPN which gives him a 3*. He is another big back that even though he is a lower rated recruit than Dunn, the bucknuts claim he is a better player. lol

    More importantly...how many big backs would Meyer really use? He MIGHT use one. Two or more? Unlikely.

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  • Michmania said... (original post)

    No different then what Flinstone did to Brown when he got his offered pulled for taking an official visit. Stop complaining about doing the same thing your own school does. Meyer(no tOSU fan will ever say scUM as short hand for him) is going to his house to talk to him. He may say that if you take this visit I will not be able to count you as a commit and open the scholarship back up. So what. Meyer is only doing what Dunn is doing. Dunn has already basically de-committed from tOSU or he wouldn't be doing what he is doing. Meyer has every right to tell him that he will get counted as a commitment if he reaffirms it or his scholarship will open back up to him if you does choose to reaffirm or anyone else that chooses to come to tOSU. Dunn has no right to sit on it like he is doing nor does Meyer owe it to him to let him keep it.

    Its bullshit to think that Dunn even says he is committed to tOSU. Its laughable at best.

    There is a huge difference in the two situations. The Michigan staff tells kids when they are recruiting them that if they take visits they are no longer considered committed. That has never been the case with the Dunn recruitment. You're an idiot if you think they are the same thing. But then again, you do support the buckeyes, and being an idiot and a buckeye fan often go hand in hand.

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  • Michmania said... (original post)

    No different then what Flinstone did to Brown when he got his offered pulled for taking an official visit. Stop complaining about doing the same thing your own school does. Meyer(no tOSU fan will ever say scUM as short hand for him) is going to his house to talk to him. He may say that if you take this visit I will not be able to count you as a commit and open the scholarship back up. So what. Meyer is only doing what Dunn is doing. Dunn has already basically de-committed from tOSU or he wouldn't be doing what he is doing. Meyer has every right to tell him that he will get counted as a commitment if he reaffirms it or his scholarship will open back up to him if you does choose to reaffirm or anyone else that chooses to come to tOSU. Dunn has no right to sit on it like he is doing nor does Meyer owe it to him to let him keep it.

    Its bullshit to think that Dunn even says he is committed to tOSU. Its laughable at best.

    Unfortunately, I agree with you on all points. I really don't like that Michigan fans are using "UM" as short-hand for Urban Meyer.

    And no head coach is going to strong-arm a recruit in front of their parents. Well, maybe Charlie Weis would, but that's a different story. These coaches are all pro's on the recruiting trail and know how to balance that push with not coming off too strong. Meyer will lay it out for Dunn and try to get him to cancel the visit, but will never give an ultimatum saying he's pulling the offer if Dunn doesn't re-commit.

    I'm sure that's how the conversation played out with Hoke and Pharaoh Brown too. They wouldn't call the kid and yell at him saying he's no longer a commit, I'm sure it went something like, "You know our policy and we can't risk letting committed players go all over the country on official visits, so we have to consider you uncommitted at this point. We'll continue to recruit you and would like to setup an official visit, but your spot is open again for other people. If you want to re-claim it, you need to get on campus ASAP, re-commit, and do not take any other visits." Pharaoh was obviously uncertain on his pledge, so he had to know it was a problem taking an official to Oregon and knew what the results would be if he did.

  • Dizzo said... (original post)

    Unfortunately, I agree with you on all points. I really don't like that Michigan fans are using "UM" as short-hand for Urban Meyer.

    And no head coach is going to strong-arm a recruit in front of their parents. Well, maybe Charlie Weis would, but that's a different story. These coaches are all pro's on the recruiting trail and know how to balance that push with not coming off too strong. Meyer will lay it out for Dunn and try to get him to cancel the visit, but will never give an ultimatum saying he's pulling the offer if Dunn doesn't re-commit.

    I'm sure that's how the conversation played out with Hoke and Pharaoh Brown too. They wouldn't call the kid and yell at him saying he's no longer a commit, I'm sure it went something like, "You know our policy and we can't risk letting committed players go all over the country on official visits, so we have to consider you uncommitted at this point. We'll continue to recruit you and would like to setup an official visit, but your spot is open again for other people. If you want to re-claim it, you need to get on campus ASAP, re-commit, and do not take any other visits." Pharaoh was obviously uncertain on his pledge, so he had to know it was a problem taking an official to Oregon and knew what the results would be if he did.

    I don't think that is what Pharaoh Brown was told.

  • MrWoodson said... (original post)

    I don't think that is what Pharaoh Brown was told.

    Very possible, I had just seen it posted on other boards that Michigan would still be recruiting him, just not considering him a commit. So I assumed if they were still recruiting him and wanted him in the class, they wouldn't rip him a new one for taking the visit.

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  • Dizzo said... (original post)

    Unfortunately, I agree with you on all points. I really don't like that Michigan fans are using "UM" as short-hand for Urban Meyer.

    And no head coach is going to strong-arm a recruit in front of their parents. Well, maybe Charlie Weis would, but that's a different story. These coaches are all pro's on the recruiting trail and know how to balance that push with not coming off too strong. Meyer will lay it out for Dunn and try to get him to cancel the visit, but will never give an ultimatum saying he's pulling the offer if Dunn doesn't re-commit.

    I'm sure that's how the conversation played out with Hoke and Pharaoh Brown too. They wouldn't call the kid and yell at him saying he's no longer a commit, I'm sure it went something like, "You know our policy and we can't risk letting committed players go all over the country on official visits, so we have to consider you uncommitted at this point. We'll continue to recruit you and would like to setup an official visit, but your spot is open again for other people. If you want to re-claim it, you need to get on campus ASAP, re-commit, and do not take any other visits." Pharaoh was obviously uncertain on his pledge, so he had to know it was a problem taking an official to Oregon and knew what the results would be if he did.

    I would like to hear your opinions on another aspect of Dunn. Is there anyone on this side off the border that are growing weary of the antics? Idk, its kind of giving me a bad vibe. I do not want to talk negativly about my own team, but I remember a highyly touted quarterback, from a place called Jeanette PA, that pushed off his commitment etc to garner attention. We all know how he turned out. Idk, after all the back and forth I read about this kid, is he heading that way? Have that kind of attitude?

    The short of what I am asking is, does anyone on this side feel that he is becoming quite a hassle and may distract fromt the team?

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    5-star RB Brionte Dunn has decided to take his official visit to Michigan this weekend. It appears he will no longer try to enroll early.

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  • NJBuckeye5 said... (original post)

    I would like to hear your opinions on another aspect of Dunn. Is there anyone on this side off the border that are growing weary of the antics? Idk, its kind of giving me a bad vibe. I do not want to talk negativly about my own team, but I remember a highyly touted quarterback, from a place called Jeanette PA, that pushed off his commitment etc to garner attention. We all know how he turned out. Idk, after all the back and forth I read about this kid, is he heading that way? Have that kind of attitude?

    The short of what I am asking is, does anyone on this side feel that he is becoming quite a hassle and may distract fromt the team?

    What antics? He has said consistently since the OSU scandal broke that the pending NCAA penalties and change in coaching staff was an issue and he wanted to see how both played out. You only announced your new HC a couple of weeks ago and, as far as I know, have not yet heard back from the NCAA. Apparently, Dunn is not very excited about the idea of playing in Urbie's spread offense. I don't blame him.

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    NJBuckeye5 said... (original post)

    I would like to hear your opinions on another aspect of Dunn. Is there anyone on this side off the border that are growing weary of the antics? Idk, its kind of giving me a bad vibe. I do not want to talk negativly about my own team, but I remember a highyly touted quarterback, from a place called Jeanette PA, that pushed off his commitment etc to garner attention. We all know how he turned out. Idk, after all the back and forth I read about this kid, is he heading that way? Have that kind of attitude?

    The short of what I am asking is, does anyone on this side feel that he is becoming quite a hassle and may distract fromt the team?

    No. He has not been hogging the limelight at all. He's trying not to talk to reporters and has kept his recruitment very private. That's the opposite of TP. Dunn has done everything wright. He's weighing all his options and does not want to make a decision until he's certain. That's very mature and there's no way you can dog him for doing that.

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  • Say what ya want, but i was let down when TP picked OSU. Granted, today I'm glad he did, but I'll admit at the time I was upset. And for all his antics off the field and in front of the Mic...he was a great college player in B1G

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  • NJBuckeye5 said... (original post)

    I would like to hear your opinions on another aspect of Dunn. Is there anyone on this side off the border that are growing weary of the antics? Idk, its kind of giving me a bad vibe. I do not want to talk negativly about my own team, but I remember a highyly touted quarterback, from a place called Jeanette PA, that pushed off his commitment etc to garner attention. We all know how he turned out. Idk, after all the back and forth I read about this kid, is he heading that way? Have that kind of attitude?

    The short of what I am asking is, does anyone on this side feel that he is becoming quite a hassle and may distract fromt the team?

    I don't think this is anywhere close to that kid from Jeanette. This one seems like a kid who can't make a decision, compared to a kid who HAD made a decision and wanted to drag it out so he could go on more radio shows and continue getting attention. When a kid (Pryor) wears Buckeye stickers and points at them during the nationally-televised Army AA game, it's pretty clear where they are headed. To drag it out past signing day like he did was a bad, bad sign.. so were the photos with the Corvette and all the other rumblings about Sarniak though.

    I do see what you're saying about Dunn though, and have had my own concerns. He is a great player, I'll be disappointed if we don't get him, and he's totally worth the continued recruiting effort. When I look at a recruiting class though, I like to get kids who either LOVE Michigan and never waver (Mike Martin was this type of recruit, and most of the current commits fit this profile), or kids who have that arrogance of knowing they are good and have worked hard to enjoy taking their officials and will decide after that.

    Kids who commit, then waver, but seemingly can't make a decision or tell somebody no make me a little nervous. I remember Sam McGuffie wavering on signing day and couldn't decide if he wanted to send his LOI or take more visits. I look at Chris Barnett still being committed to Arkansas until they pulled the plug on him and he decided to commit to Michigan. Je'Ron Stokes backed out on his Tennessee commit before picking Michigan in the end. Kevin Newsome had Michigan fans pumped before backing out and going to PSU. Shavodrick Beaver was going to be the next underrated star QB for RichRod before decommitting for Tulsa. Of course there are success stories (Roy Roundtree, Jibreel Black, and Courtney Avery have done well, I hope Kyle Kalis succeeds, I hope Justice Hayes and Russell Bellomy pan out, etc), but it's definitely a concern of mine just because you wonder how they will handle adversity for the rest of their career.

  • NJBuckeye5 said... (original post)

    I would like to hear your opinions on another aspect of Dunn. Is there anyone on this side off the border that are growing weary of the antics? Idk, its kind of giving me a bad vibe. I do not want to talk negativly about my own team, but I remember a highyly touted quarterback, from a place called Jeanette PA, that pushed off his commitment etc to garner attention. We all know how he turned out. Idk, after all the back and forth I read about this kid, is he heading that way? Have that kind of attitude?

    The short of what I am asking is, does anyone on this side feel that he is becoming quite a hassle and may distract fromt the team?

    I don't think Dunn is the same type of flashy attention whore TP was at all. I think he's just a kid trying to decide between two really good football programs. Its probably the biggest decision he's ever had to make. He is going to spend the next 4-5 years of his life in AA or Cbus so I would encourage him to take his time.

    But of course the fan part of me has the patience of a two year old and wants him to commit to Michigan right friggin now!

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    As for Rico's post, yeah I've been hearing the same thing. The word is that Dunn is no longer trying to EE. He wasn't able to finish all of the required schoolwork to graduate early and sounds relieved that the pressure is off to make a decision right away.

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  • Dizzo said... (original post)

    I don't think this is anywhere close to that kid from Jeanette. This one seems like a kid who can't make a decision, compared to a kid who HAD made a decision and wanted to drag it out so he could go on more radio shows and continue getting attention. When a kid (Pryor) wears Buckeye stickers and points at them during the nationally-televised Army AA game, it's pretty clear where they are headed. To drag it out past signing day like he did was a bad, bad sign.. so were the photos with the Corvette and all the other rumblings about Sarniak though.

    I do see what you're saying about Dunn though, and have had my own concerns. He is a great player, I'll be disappointed if we don't get him, and he's totally worth the continued recruiting effort. When I look at a recruiting class though, I like to get kids who either LOVE Michigan and never waver (Mike Martin was this type of recruit, and most of the current commits fit this profile), or kids who have that arrogance of knowing they are good and have worked hard to enjoy taking their officials and will decide after that.

    Kids who commit, then waver, but seemingly can't make a decision or tell somebody no make me a little nervous. I remember Sam McGuffie wavering on signing day and couldn't decide if he wanted to send his LOI or take more visits. I look at Chris Barnett still being committed to Arkansas until they pulled the plug on him and he decided to commit to Michigan. Je'Ron Stokes backed out on his Tennessee commit before picking Michigan in the end. Kevin Newsome had Michigan fans pumped before backing out and going to PSU. Shavodrick Beaver was going to be the next underrated star QB for RichRod before decommitting for Tulsa. Of course there are success stories (Roy Roundtree, Jibreel Black, and Courtney Avery have done well, I hope Kyle Kalis succeeds, I hope Justice Hayes and Russell Bellomy pan out, etc), but it's definitely a concern of mine just because you wonder how they will handle adversity for the rest of their career.

    I will take it one step further. Dunn grew up a die-hard Buckeye and he committed to Ohio before all the sh%t really hit the fan. It's not his fault the Vest got busted cheating and was fired. It's also not his fault that Gene Smith & Co. are boobs and have done everything possible to make the situation worse and delay the NCAA process to the point that we still don't know what the sanctions are going to be. And, finally, it's not Dunn's fault that Ohio decided to replace the Vest with a coach who runs a spread offense. It is probably very hard for Dunn to withdraw his commitment to the school he grew up watching and rooting for his entire life, even though he almost certainly knows now it is in his best long-term interests to do so. If anything, Ohio should be apologizing to him for their "antics" and for screwing up his dream of playing for the Buckeyes.

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  • Dunn frankly isn't going to the press...the press comes to him. Pryor LOVED the press. He delayed on national signing day, and then announced on ESPN.

    If Dunn does that, I will agree he is an attention hog. I frankly don't see him doing anything like that. I bet he announces through twitter or something, not on live TV.

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  • Michmania said... (original post)

    You are an idiot to think tOSU needs to apologize for hiring Meyer since it might not fit what he wants but that's a different story.

    First if Dunn doesn't want to play in a spread then wtf is he doing going to tsun. He will be playing in a spread at least for 2 more years(Denard and Gardner are spread QBs).

    Secondly has he even watched the pro game recently??

    The best teams in the NFL are moving to spread formations. Take a look at what GB, NE, NO, Pitt and more run. They do not run typical pro sets. Even the Colts with Manning run spread formations. The time of the lead fullback are gone. All teams are running single back spreads because they know its makes the defense open up with holes in them. The days of smash mouth football are gone in this day and age. If Dunn has no desire to play in a spread he might as well stop playing football because he is going to have to adjust to it at some point in his carrier or get left in the dust.

    How did this turn into a pissing contest again when one of your own asked a legit question and all our guys did on this board was respond. Give it a rest and go bitch somewhere else. We are trying to have a decent discussion without two year old name calling.

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    There is a huge difference in the two situations. The Michigan staff tells kids when they are recruiting them that if they take visits they are no longer considered committed. That has never been the case with the Dunn recruitment. You're an idiot if you think they are the same thing. But then again, you do support the buckeyes, and being an idiot and a buckeye fan often go hand in hand.

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  • Michmania said... (original post)

    You are an idiot to think tOSU needs to apologize for hiring Meyer since it might not fit what he wants but that's a different story.

    First if Dunn doesn't want to play in a spread then wtf is he doing going to tsun. He will be playing in a spread at least for 2 more years(Denard and Gardner are spread QBs).

    Secondly has he even watched the pro game recently??

    The best teams in the NFL are moving to spread formations. Take a look at what GB, NE, NO, Pitt and more run. They do not run typical pro sets. Even the Colts with Manning run spread formations. The time of the lead fullback are gone. All teams are running single back spreads because they know its makes the defense open up with holes in them. The days of smash mouth football are gone in this day and age. If Dunn has no desire to play in a spread he might as well stop playing football because he is going to have to adjust to it at some point in his carrier or get left in the dust.

    Calling people names is the first sign you have lost the argument on the merits.

    First, absolutely Ohio should apologize for hiring Meyer to the extent that he never would have been hired if Tressel didn't get himself fired in the first place. Dunn committed to Ohio early and was all set to be a Buckeye until the Vest and your laughably incompetent President and AD screwed everything up. Second, as far as the NFL is now a "spread" league, well maybe you have been watching too much of the Broncos. You clearly have not been watching most of the league, especially what Harbaugh has done with the 49ers (which BTW is exactly what he did with the Stanford Cardinal). Sure, you will see spread elements in nearly all of the teams from time to time, but the Urban Meyer power running spread where the QB is the team's leading rusher with over 1,000 yds and 20+ rushing TDs per season does not exist anywhere in the NFL and probably never will (NFL QBs are sort of expensive to use them like RBs).

    Now, if Brionte Dunn has his sights set on being the lead blocker for Braxton Miller for the next three years (assuming he can crack the depth chart just to do that), great, he should stick with his original commitment, pack his bags and head to Columbus. But if he wants to be the next Montee Ball or Trent Richardson or even Boom Herron (absent the NCAA violations and suspensions), he will be wearing a winged helmet come next August and the decision in that regard is not even close.

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  • Mr Mxyzptlk said... (original post)

    I don't think Dunn is the same type of flashy attention whore TP was at all. I think he's just a kid trying to decide between two really good football programs. Its probably the biggest decision he's ever had to make. He is going to spend the next 4-5 years of his life in AA or Cbus so I would encourage him to take his time.

    But of course the fan part of me has the patience of a two year old and wants him to commit to Michigan right friggin now!

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    As for Rico's post, yeah I've been hearing the same thing. The word is that Dunn is no longer trying to EE. He wasn't able to finish all of the required schoolwork to graduate early and sounds relieved that the pressure is off to make a decision right away.

    I can understand all the points, and certainly understand the kid wanting to think things through. I guess when he said he was no longer going to early enroll is when I started to look a little critically at it. Idk, guess we will see eventually.

  • Michmania said... (original post)

    I guess you don't watch must football then, I name you GB, NE, PITT, NO, Bengals, Cowboys, Giants, Chargers, Denver, Your own Detroit Lions, and many many others are running at least 50/50 spread or even a greater percentage of spread to typical pro style. Sure the 49ners run more pro set play action style offense but the great majority of the league is moving away from it since the league has turned into a pass first, run second league.

    There is a huge difference between what those teams are doing and the spread Urban Meyer runs. Those teams are spreading out the defense with formations but still relying on their running backs to carry the ball. In Urban Meyer's spread the Qb is the first run option and gets a bulk of the carries.

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  • Michmania said... (original post)

    I guess you don't watch must football then, I name you GB, NE, PITT, NO, Bengals, Cowboys, Giants, Chargers, Denver, Your own Detroit Lions, and many many others are running at least 50/50 spread or even a greater percentage of spread to typical pro style. Sure the 49ners run more pro set play action style offense but the great majority of the league is moving away from it since the league has turned into a pass first, run second league.

    Please, name me one NFL team this year which will have its QB as its leading rusher?

  • Michmania said... (original post)

    A SPREAD OFFENSE DOES NOT EQUAL RUNNING QB. There are run and Pass spreads. This is very ignorant to even think they are not different. Oklahoma, TTech with Leach run Pass spreads. Why do you think they call half these QBs comming out of college Spead QBs.

    WoW dude....

    Wake up and learn what a spread offense is and not just what RichRod ran at tsun.

    Here, let me help you out. There are none. And as for the type of spread offense that Urbie runs, let me help you with that too ...

    In 2009, Tim Tebow had 217 carries for over 900 yds (net of sack yardage). The next leading rusher was Jeff Demps with 99 carries for 745 yds.

    In 2008, Tebow had 176 carries for 673 yds while Percy Harvin had only 70 carries for 659 yds.

    In 2007, Tebow had 210 carries for 895 yds while Percy Harvin had only 83 carries for 764 yds.

    Now, if you can't grasp the difference between Urban Meyer's power spread rushing offense and the offenses currently in use in the NFL (which incorporate elements of the spread but rely primarily on RBs for the carries), then I can't help you. Rest assured, however, that Brionte Dunn and his dad understand the difference very clearly. And I fully expect that difference, and its implications for how Brionte will be utilized in each type of offense, to be a significant factor in his decision as to which school to attend.

  • Oklahoma runs a pro style spread which again Urban Meyer does not. Texas Tech runs the Air raid offense which is not the spread nor what Urban Meyer runs. He has not changed his system yet period he will not change it now. So to use these two teams as examples is not very accurate on your part. Stop twisting facts to fit your way of thinking.

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  • I think this argument has run its course. Look, Urban never ran anything you would call a pass spread offense, that is for sure. And buckeye fans are going to spin this how they want, but the reality is on the field. Go back and look at Urban's teams before, and you will get a fair idea of the product we will see in years to come.

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  • Michmania said... (original post)

    Utah, go look it up. Alex smith was his QB.

    Utah Leading rushers in 2004 undefeated season:

    Marty Johnson: 12 games, 165 carries, 802 yards, 14 TDs
    Alex Smith: 12 games, 135 carries, 631 yards, 10 TDs
    Quinton Ganther: 12 games, 109 carries, 654 yards, 2 TDs

    This is the same argument Michigan fans have been making, so not sure of your point. The QB gets almost as many touches, and the top RB averaged around 14 carries and 67 yards per game.