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Can you imagine how bad the 2010 season would have been if Denard hadn't been QB? He'll be considered one of the Michigan greats at the end of next season imo.
Thank you at least you understand where I'm coming from with this.
Stop Butte. I curse the person that made that emoticon.
That might be true, but he said "one of the greatest" not "the greatest."
I'll start by saying I think its a little too early to be talking about Denard's overall place in Michigan history given that he still has another full season to go. But say Team 133 reaches its goals of a B1G championship + Rose Bowl win and Denard finishes in the top 5 of the Heisman voting. If that were the case, Denard's resume would look like this:
3rd or 4th in career passing yards
4th in career passing touchdowns
2nd-5th in career rushing yards
4th or 5th in career rushing touchdowns
All of the top 10-13 marks for total offense in a single game
FBS records for rushing yards by a quarterback in a season and rushing yards by a quarterback in a career
Top-5 Heisman finish (should have had 2 of these, he was seriously robbed in 2010)
Two BCS bowl wins
A B1G championship
30-9 record as a starter
3-0 vs Notre Dame, 2-1 vs Ohio
That's one hell of a career and I think you'd absolutely have to put him in the top-few players Michigan has ever had.
edit: and yeah, completely cosign the "how many games would the 2010 team have won without him" argument. imo, the past two years would have been a complete dumpster fire without Denard
This post was edited by inuyesta 2 years ago
Denard is a good football player no doubt. all time great QB not so much. Who knows how pro-style qb's would have been in RR offense. Denard wouldn't see the field in Bo or lloyds offense. It works both ways. Denard gives us are best chance to win right now, but he makes me nervous when he throws the ball.
He will be the best running qb at mich I'll give him that.
Did you not watch 2008? And you said I'm young....
And sure his throws are ugly but name one of our other great qb's who had 4200 yards in a season, let alone put the game in their own hands and won it for us on multiple occasions while having an atrocious defense to back them up.
So compared to 2008. Denard is the best ever? I don't get it sorry. Harbaugh, Grbak, collins, greise, & brady were all great Qbs. All beat ND, msu, tosu. Had fewer turnovers too.
I think he should be considered one of Michigan's best qb's. He was recruited for a spread offense, and that wasn't his fault. His running ability might be better than his passing but he still lines up as qb and is a huge threat. And Denard wouldn't even go to Michigan if Carr was still coaching lol.
^^^ what he said
Dude read your post you said who knows how a pro style qb should have worked in RR's offense the proof is in the pudding aka 2008, quit spinning.
And Griese was not great, and every qb you mentioned also had complete teams and actual defenses. Again you clearly don't understand my original point which was adversity. That's fine those who played sports and didn't have the fortune of winning every game they every played understand where I'm coming from.
If Denard had the talent of past defenses, and Arrington, Manningham, and Breaston as receivers....oh man.
Pretty easy to have less turnovers when the whole offense isn't on your back.
Yes are you flipping kidding me how many total yards does he end up with in 2010 if he has them, 5000? What if he also had Hart? How this is arguable is ridiculous.
This post was edited by MichaelHardenII 2 years ago
Seriously. And actually, the more I'm looking into the Henne/Denard comparison, the more impressed I am by what Denard has done. Here's just their passing stats in the first two years starting at QB
Henne 04-05: 5269 yards on 781 attempts - 6.75 ypa; 59.2% completion; 48 touchdowns; 20 INT; 16-8 record
Robinson 10-11: 4743 yards on 549 attempts - 8.6 ypa; 59.0% completion; 38 touchdowns, 26 INT; 18-7 record
and a quick reminder of who Henne got to throw to those years
Michigan WR corps 2004
Michigan WR corps 2005
edit: and of course, Denard is doing what he's doing passing while also being the team's primary running back.
For what it is worth, Keith Nichol did a great job converting from starting QB to WR.
Keith was / is a talent that made us a better team by being on the field. He wasn't the most productive WR but proved to be quick, sure-handed and a great blocker.
Anyway, State has a precedence with both a good experience and a horribly gone wrong one.
Dude, imagine if Denard had Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Faulk, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Refrigerator Perry, Jake Long, Willie Roaf, Tony Gonzales and Grankowski......then all the defenders could only wear one shoe, had to play with one arm behind their back, couldn't blitz, and every defense only could play with 8 players.......do you know the numbers that he would have, they would be the greatest in history.
In a few years time, when all you really have left are numbers and nostalgia, you will easily lump Denard into that group. Every one one of those you listed had some frustrating inadequacies that comes with being a college quarterback.
Anyways, we will have more than enough time to evaluate his legacy at Michigan after he graduates. For right now, we get to enjoy one of the (if not the) most dangerous, exciting, recognizable, and amiable players in college football.
.....Did anybody forget we have we are going to play AL-A-BAMA! (loud Forrest Gump voice). Im pretty sure we are going to need more options to stretch the field. There is no Film on DG at WR at the college level. I also noticed that Gorgeous also quipped "pratices are closed for a reason"...Sounds like boys got somthing brewing
First, I'll chime in on the Denard discussion.
I think in a lot of ways this season will define his legacy when we look back on him. He'll probably be one of the most memorable players to ever wear the maize and blue but I'm not sure how fondly we'll look back on him if he doesn't drastically improve this year. Denard has put up gaudy numbers, made highlight reel plays, and won a lot of games. However, he's also come up short in some really big games. Pretty much every Michigan State game he's played in has been a train wreck. Hell, even the bowl game against Va Tech he certainly wasn't the reason we were in that game. Who was the last QB at Michigan that started 3 years and didn't win a big ten title or go to a rose bowl? Who was the last QB at Michigan to never beat Michigan State? It will be interesting to see how he looks this year.
As for Devin, I think this is just a nod to how much Borges likes him as a play maker. He wants to get the ball in his hands anyway possible. It's probably just special packages similar to the dual qb package we ran last season but it could be a full time position. Keep in mind, we're still months away from the first game. Let's see how it plays out before we jump to conclusions and start freaking out. By the time fall rolls around this whole thing could be scrapped. For what it's worth, could you blame Borges? The guy is 6'4", 210 pounds, and can run. That's a pretty enticing mixture.
Denard is one of the most dynamic players ever to play for Michigan, and I love the kid, but he is arguably not even Top 10 greatest QBs to play for Michigan.
Navarre(Blech, I hate writing his name)
are just a few
Denard doesn't play QB like Michigan QB's of the past... this is like comparing apples and oranges. What's better, a 4,000 yard passing season or a 2,500 yard passing season and 1,500 rushing yards?
Denard makes routine plays seem exciting, and exciting plays are routine... he keeps me on the edge of my couch everytime he's on the field, and that's all I can ask for.
To me 4000 yards is 4000 yards, bottom line name the last "prototypical" Michigan qb to do it, and Mallet doesn't count.
Except no UM quarterback has come close to throwing for 4000 yards in a season...in fact, Navarre in 03 is the only time a UM QB has even thrown for 3000 yards. I think people are **seriously** overrating how good UM QBs have been and/or conflating their NFL success with college greatness
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