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Hand's HC is a Auburn grad, how would that go over.
Fine if it would help his career. How do you think Hugh Freeze got his first job at Ole Miss during the recruitment of Oher?
I could definitely see the Saban/Bud Foster thing. But that would be quite the gambit considering Foster could quash that pretty easily.
Ducks, can u link Steve's comments... can't find them, thx! Glad that the new info won't make him change his pick.
From page 719 of the 2014 thread
Something is fishy here. All six predictions were made in the space of one hour. Three are all Bama homers from their 247 site, but the other three are national. Even if they had all recently received new information (as in the last few days) what are the chances they all post their individual predictions so close to each other?
Either there is a farce going on, or they all were together when they received some new information and they felt the information was strong enough that they had to post/change their prediction.
DatBull 4 Lyfe
I think they all work out of the same office. One guy heard something and told the others ... and boom six similar picks based on one piece of info.
JC's info is basically that VT is out of the race IMO, just based on this.
EXACTLY! He would be such a waste of talent if saban blew him up into a 290-300lb 3-4 space eater and it be tough for him to play olb for a while. He'll be a much better 4-3 edge rusher. Why be an interchangeable part in Alabama when he could be a huge part of a defense that plays to his strengths? Dont get the bama stuff at all.
Is Alabama recruiting him as a Jack LB, or as DE?
Seems like as a Jack LB.
If any recruit mentions Bama...then everyone seems to think they can't lose that battle. Well I got news for you fellas...Hand loves him some Michigan and Coach Mattison and I haven't ever heard him say a damn thing about Bama other than "its a great program and they've won some natties"...he doesn't seem all that enamored by them. I'm more worried about SCAR than Bama
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
Why don't you go check the rank of Alabama's engineering program. I believe in the hundreds while Michigan is top ten. Nice try though but I won't waste a precious downvote.
First of all, I never said Alabama was as good as Michigan. In fact, I said the opposite with this statement, "Is Michigan a better academic school than those mentioned? Yes, absolutely." Second, I never even brought up engineering school, and you did not in your original post. If you wanted to argue that point you should have narrowed your scope in the original post. Third, I'm not arguing that Alabama is better or even comparable to Michigan. The orignal claim (implied) was that "if he is serious about academics, then he will go to Michigan and not Alabama" (it would look like this in a formal logic: C > M* ~A). This claim carries no weight to whether or not Alabama is a great/good/ok academic school, but rather whether those that attend or consider Alabama care about academics. My point being that you can get a great education out of going to whatever school, if you put in your time. Obviously Michigan is a top tier school, and I will not debate that. However, saying that Hand must not care about academics simply because he is considering Alabama is an insult to the kid and logic.
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Let me break down how you get to "if he is serious about academics, then he will go to Michigan and not Alabama."
P1: Da'Shawn Hand is a person
P2: People who are serious about academics go to the best academic university they can
C1: If Da'Shawn Hand is serious about academics, he will go to the best academic university he can
P3: Michigan is a university
P4: Alabama is a university
P5: Michigan is a much better academic university than Alabama
P6: Da'Shawn Hand can go to either Michigan or Alabama
C2: If Da'Shawn Hand is serious about academics, he will go to Michigan and not Alabama
You're right that the claim doesn't say anything about how Alabama (or Michigan, for that matter) rank on an objective scale...if this syllogism is true, the only thing I know for sure is that Michigan is better than Alabama; beyond that, I don't know if this is a contest between two elite schools, two crappy schools, an elite school and a crappy school, or anything in between. But we don't need that information, all we need is the knowledge that Michigan is better than Alabama.
In this vein, the conclusion also doesn't imply anything about "whether those that attend or consider Alabama care about academics," on two different levels.
First, it doesn't refer to people who go to Alabama, in a broad sense, at all; this is only about those who choose Alabama over Michigan. This is a key distinction. Undoubtedly, most of the people who went to Alabama never even considered applying to Michigan, let alone the rest of it. It is very possible - highly probable, even - that a whole lot of people who go to Alabama are serious about academics, and they chose Alabama over inferior academic options like Auburn or UAB.
Second, "caring" about academics and being "serious" about academics and making it a top priority are not the same thing. This distinction ought to be self-evident, but you're conflating them, so maybe not. One can care about something without making it a top priority. I cared about cost of attendance and weather when I was applying to law school, but I cared more about considerations like prestige and career placement...this is why I'm at Columbia and not USC.
The only way to really attack the syllogism is to go after P2, which is the premise I was trying to bolster in the post you responded to.
you can get a great education out of going to whatever school, if you put in your time
I don't think this is a successful attack on P2. If you put in the same effort at Michigan as you would have put in at Alabama, you will get the better academic experience at Michigan. Again, getting a "great" education isn't what this is about, it's about getting the better education.
However, saying that Hand must not care about academics simply because he is considering Alabama is an insult to the kid and logic.
Here you've gone well off the rails. Briefly:
1. Once again, you've failed to grasp the distinction between "caring" about something and making that something a top priority. No one will have grounds to doubt that Hand "cares" about academics if he goes to Alabama, but it will be strong evidence that academics were not a priority in his recruitment the way that he has claimed
2. Neither I, nor the poster you were initially responding to, have said anything based on the fact that Hand is "considering" Alabama...we're responding to the hypothetical in which Hand chooses Alabama.
3. I don't think its an insult to say "well, Hand didn't actually prioritize academics" if he goes to Alabama. In my eyes, that's a mere observation. "Hand must be stupid because he went to Alabama" is an insult. There's a difference.
I was going to make some of those same distinctions but was feeling too lazy to explain. Anyway, well said.
Sorry, but this is where you lost me:
"Second, "caring" about academics and being "serious" about academics and making it a top priority are not the same thing. This distinction ought to be self-evident, but you're conflating them, so maybe not. One can care about something without making it a top priority. I cared about cost of attendance and weather when I was applying to law school, but I cared more about considerations like prestige and career placement...this is why I'm at Columbia and not USC."
You've injected your own opinion of what it means to be serious about academics. In fact, you've conflated "serious" and "top priority" in a way that doesn't allow for other decision criteria to even play a role. Take the hypothetical of a exceptional student who gets accepted to both Stanford and Duke for law school, but would like to stay close to his home in NC. Is he really not serious about education if he chooses Duke?
Also, fwiw, I don't recall Hand ever stating that academics was his top priority (and it's certainly not his sole priority). I believe he's pretty "serious" about football as well.
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