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NC State guard Tyler Lewis' grandmother passed away last week. When Lewis stepped to the free throw line, Duke fans began chanting "Hows your grandma?"
Wow, that's way too far, absolutely classless.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Saw the video earlier...it is a mark of shame on the Duke family, no question.
In case anyone missed it.
From the blog The Dagger: College Basketball Blog: On Thursday night, Duke avenged an early-season loss to N.C. State with a convincing 98-85 home win. But what happened on the court wasn't the story of the night. Midway through the second half, freshman guard Tyler Lewis stepped to … Continue reading →
This post was edited by SteelBlue0348 17 months ago
Duke bball fans are the equivalent of Ohio football fans.
A lot of Duke people on twitter were playing it off as if it wasn't a big deal saying it was just a few knuckleheads. But that video made it sound pretty clear. That's as low as it gets. I've never really hated Duke because I have the utmost respect for Coach K but I cannot stand those stuffy, overprivileged fans.
Wow. Really low. Unbelievable, really.
This follows a recent "Asian themed" frat party at Duke which caused quite a stir amongst the Asian community on campus.
An Asian student group at Duke University has filed a formal complaint with the school after a fraternity hosted a weekend party with a theme that some consider racist.
Personally, I'm inclined to say this is hyper-sensitivity. Not that it's unexpected, but these parties/resulting outroars happen all the time. I would say it's funny, but I don't want to
The chant was f*cked up on so many levels, this party is somewhat pedestrian for greek life IMO.
The Cameron Crazies have come right up to the line before, but this is going over it.
Duke .... moronic idiots. Then again ..it goes back to the parents. Oh yeah ... moronic parents.
This post was edited by UMRSB 17 months ago
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
Does not make it right. Kids today have lost values. Starts with the parents.
Didn't say it was right. I just don't think it's that wrong. There are different races, sexes, nationalities, and there are glaring differences among them. To throw a party accentuating a difference in culture isn't necessarily the nicest thing to do, but people need to get over it. It's not entirely derogatory, people just like to immediately attach every negative connotation possible when stories like this come out. It's not like they pulled an ESPN and hung up a 'chink' sign for the world to read, they had a party and the media blew it up. Big surprise.
And the lost values comment is a bit ridiculous. It doesn't start with the parents. The world has changed in the past 40 years, reflecting a change in the expectations/interactions in everyday life. The mass media changed everything, providing everybody access to do whatever they choose and see whatever they want. That's where the values have gone off course from whatever they used to be. As a whole, people seem to be getting less sensitive about cultural differences. As a result, those who are still short sighted and can't get in touch with reality freak out over what should be no-story events.
This all, of course, is just my opinion.
If everyone else jumps off the bridge, I take it you follow them? The world has progressively become worse over the last 40 years - fact. It starts with the parents raising kids properly in the home - fact. I am not sure where you are in llife, but if you have kids then you should know what I mean.
I wouldn't claim those two points you made to be facts. They are your opinions, which differ from mine, which is why I made sure to note that was just my opinion.
The world doesn't become better or worse unless it experiences a war, a pandemic, or a renaissance. The way kids are raised and the way people interact does not make anything worse, just different. Your opinion is that it's worse. Other's opinions are that it's better. My opinion is simply that everything perpetually changes and we need to go with the flow. There's no reason to attach a label on any of it.
Edit: And I don't see what you were doing with the bridge question, not sure how it relates to anything I said. But no, I'm not a follower if that's what you're implying. Not even close.
I'm a leader
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Mitch Again 17 months ago
"The way kids are raised and the way people interact does not make anything worse, just different. "
Again I ask ... do you have kids? This statement makes absolutely zero sense. It is easy to see why troubled kids evolve - it starts in the home. Parents who raise kids with too much "mass media", video games, television, etc., and not enough love. Blaming problems on the liberal media is an excuse for a parent's failure to raise their children. Mass media does not control your kids - you do.
It doesn't make zero sense, I just don't think every change has to be labeled good or bad. And no I do not have kids. But when I do I'm not going to raise them in an Amish household with no TV's and video games only after they do their homework and pray by the fire. Liberal media is not an excuse and it's entirely independent of parenting, but it's unavoidable nowadays. My main point is that, to generalize and say kids are losing their values because of parenting is just not the full truth, and certainly not a fact. It's an aggregate of a number of things, there is not one sole factor changing people's values, nor is there a means to measure any of it. But in my opinion, the mass media is the primary influence because of how dependent our lives have become on it.
Now let's stop this bickering.
Laura Keeley @laurakeeley
I have talked to several other reporters at the #Duke game. The students didn't chant about Tyler Lewis's dead grandma. That's a fact.
Keeley works for the Raleigh News & Observer and Charlotte Observer.
And just so you get a sense for the Charlotte Observer...
On the left is the front cover of the morning paper after UNC won the 2009 National Championship. On the right is the front cover of the morning paper after Duke won the 2010 National Championship.
Duke has the 4th largest fanbase in it's own state despite being more successful than UNC, NC State, and Wake Forest over the last 25-30 years.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Frank C 17 months ago
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This is from Keeley's post-game notes:
Speaking of the crowd in Cameron, there seems to be some confusion about a particular Cameron Crazies cheer—or should I say, an imaginary cheer—directed at Tyler Lewis. In the second half, when Lewis was at the free throw line, the students chanted, "past your bedtime."
I'd suspect that's because Lewis, a freshman, is a shorter guy, listed at 5-11. And hey, when you're already young and standing next to people about a foot taller than you, you can look childlike.
I actually sent out a Tweet when this happened. Check the time stamp.
For reasons unknown, though, some Internet folks have decided that the Crazies were really saying, "How's your Grandma?" in reference to Lewis' grandmother that died last week. That's just false.
There was no such chant.
But the Internet never let a fact get in the way of a story, and people have put out a Youtube video that allegedly supports their claim. It doesn't because that cheer never happened. I actually asked five other sportswriters if they heard the Grandma cheer. None of them did.
Here is the video. Take a listen (start from 0:35). You decide.
I hear "Past your bedtime."
For more info, read here: http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2013/02/08/did-the-cameron-crazies-taunt-tyler-lewis-about-his-grandmothers-death-and-what-does-it-say-about-duke/
The question: Was there a chant of "How's your grandma," referencing the recent death of Lewis' grandmother? Or was it exclusively "Past your bedtime," which the Crazies had been chanting all game?
Then how did the dad hear it, multiple players hear it, others in the crowd heard it?
Doesn't it make sense to you that Duke people would come out and deny it to protect the cookie cutter image? This isn't the first time this has happened at Duke either.
Sorry Frank but my ex is a teacher at Duke and was at the game and that is exactly what they were saying. People can try to spin it whatever way they want, but it is complete bs. I give Lewis a lot of credit because if I were him I dont believe that I would have been able to keep my composure.
Yeahh I'm not buying that they were saying "it's past your bedtime"
I can neither prove it nor disprove it.
If the Cameron Crazies did shout "How's your Grandma?" when Tyler Lewis stepped to the FT line, I would be disappointed and disgusted.
But I really don't care all that much. This incident will be a footnote in this college basketball season's history. And people will take from it what they want. In general, Duke haters will use this as evidence to justify their hate while Duke fans will begin showcasing their hilariously overblown persecution-complex.
Both contingents are subject to confirmation bias.
This post was edited by Frank C 17 months ago
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