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....tore his ACL today. Will the coaches look at taking a DE now, and could the class number be 26? Would this make Wormley eligible to take a medical redshirt this year, and still be eligible for a normal redshirt down the road?
Sorry to hear about Chris.....was hoping to see him play for Michigan this year. Hope his recovery is fast!!
Why would the class cap move up to 26? The kid tore his ACL and will now redshirt. Nothing special, nothing out of the ordinary, just a season ending injury.
Wow too bad. Hope he has a quick and full recovery
They'd probably just redshirt him, pointless to medical RS him since hes likely going to be a contributor next year.
Dang that sucks.
Hate to hear this. Hopefully he can make a full recovery.
A medical redshirt is relatively rare and only comes into play if a player is injured after already using his normal redshirt year. The player applies to the NCAA (usually after his regular eligibility is exhausted) and requests an extra year of eligibility due to a season ending injury during one of the seasons that counted against his four years of regular eligibility. It does not apply in this case. Wormley will use his normal redshirt year for the 2012 season and have four years of eligibility remaining beginning with 2013.
That's right. Can't take a medical and then a redshirt. It will just be counted as a typical redshirt year.
I'm not sure why you're thinking this would make the class bigger - it's not like Wormley's off the team or anything. He was in the mix to play this year, but now will RS instead.
Torn ACLs suck, but it's not the career ruiner it used to be. He should be back to full strength sometime early next year.
This is only kinda true. A medical redshirt is when a player has played that season and gets injured and is unable to play again that season due to the injury. These are fairly common and is what they are hoping to accomplish with DG. Although this waiting until his career is finished before you find out is something new so i'm not sure how that muddies the water. Adrian Arrington received a medical RS, Shawn Crable did too. Chris Howard back in the day, plenty of others though I can't think of them right now. You can not RS twice, medical or otherwise. What you can do is petition the NCAA for a 6th year of elgibility. The only way the NCAA will consider the petition is if you can demonstrate that the year you redshirted it was due to injury and you had missed an additional year due to injury. If you redshirt and it's not because of injury (standard freshmen RS) you aren't getting that 6th year. Wormley will be able to demonstrate that he is redshirting due to injury so if he were to down the road miss another year to injury he will be a canidate to receive a 6th year if he so chooses.
Maybe the coaches put a cap on 25, with the flexibility to increase as needed based on injuries, or depletion of depth in the course of the season......hence if there is a pressing need, they would rectify that with the upcoming recruiting class.
Not sure exactly where you are disagreeing with me. Wormley has not yet used his normal redshirt year. That means he will be expected to use his normal redshirt year now if he is unable to play due to this injury. It's not a medical redshirt. It's just the normal redshirt year every player gets. If he were to become injured again, say in 2014, and that injury caused him to lose a large portion of the 2014 season (I believe 70% is the general rule), he could then apply to the NCAA for a sixth year as a medical redshirt year. But this current ACL injury will not create a basis to appeal to the NCAA for a sixth year. He is required to exhaust his normal redshirt year first.
Edit: Also, the DG situation is different. He can't take his normal redshirt year for 2010 (the year he was injured) because he played that season. If he had been injured in camp and never taken a snap in 2010, he would not be eligible to apply for a medical redshirt year. Instead, he would have taken his normal redshirt year in 2010 and would be eligible for 2014 without making any special application to the NCAA whatsoever.
Edit 2: Just to clarify something. You mentioned that you can't redshirt twice. Actually, you can. If you take your normal redshirt year your freshman year and then are injured in a subsequent year, you can apply to the NCAA for a sixth year to make up for the year lost due to injury. It's relatively rare, but it does happen. Here's one example: http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2012/07/05/ncaa-grants-marcus-green-sixth-year-of-eligibility/
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I think most of our disagreement is just in the details. Getting a 6th year is not the same as redshirting twice. Once you RS, whether it's medical or not, you can't get another. The NCAA simply grants you an extra year. However they aren't going to grant you that 6th year unless the RS year was due to an injury and another year on top of that was missed. So if Stroebel were to RS just because the coaches didn't think he was ready he would have no chance at that 6th year. But because Wormleys RS was because of injury, if things work out not in his favor (another injury) he would have a chance.
Basicly i'm saying you can't get both a medical RS and a regular RS, medical just means you already played that season but got injured early and the NCAA said we won't count this year against you. This is what the coaches were hoping for in the DG case and I admit I am confused about whether the rule has changed with nobody knowing if he is going to get that extra year.
well sure, but to get to 26 we need 4 more guys to leave the team/not get 5th years. Could happen I guess.
Thats exactly what I'm saying, it could happen if the coaches wanted
So it sounds like that someone has to have 2 separate injuries (in the first 5 years) in which they miss all, if not most of the season to get 6 years of eligibility.....A QB from Oklahoma about 10 years ago rings a bell that got a 6th year of eligibility, Jason White I believe.
I think the hold up on DG is two-fold. Somewhere along the way, a rumor was floated that UM had applied for a medical redshirt for him back at the end of 2010. I don't believe that is true, or if true it is highly unusual. Generally, the NCAA does not hear appeals for additional eligibility until a player's existing eligibility is exhausted. So maybe the DG paperwork has been filed (or maybe not), but the NCAA probably will not rule on it until at least 2013. The second reason for not submitting an appeal years in advance is that it's not in the school's interest to do so. If DG had been granted an extra year back in 2010, he might have been more likely to transfer. And QB prospects in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 classes might have been less likely to sign with UM. It is better for both the NCAA and the school to wait until the end of the player's eligibility before processing any appeals for additional eligibility.
Edit: Also, I agree that the difference in what you and I are talking about is mostly terminology. Technically, there is no such thing as a medical redshirt. A injured player really just appeals for an additional year of eligibility. People refer to it as a a medical redshirt, but that's not an official NCAA term.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 20 months ago
As I understand it... yes. If Adrian Arrington had gotten injured again and had decided to stick around he would have been a canidate. However, if they RS their freshmen year not due to injury and then miss two years after that to injury, I don't think they get the 6th year. I think the RS needs to be proven to be because of injury.
FYI, the "holdup" on Gardner's redshirt is that he simply won't be getting the redshirt he applied for. Infer from that what you will.
Junior Hemingway didn't have to wait until the end of his 4th year to get the redshirt after he was hurt in 2008.
Gardner's a junior, and will be gone after 2013.
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