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buckeye fanbase in general = no class
No problem. The way PSU has handled the situation since Curly and Schultz were removed - even the removal of Curly and Schultz - has been top notch. The University and the State have shown a lot of class and integrity in doing the right things - especially when their actions have not been popular. They have not let that deter them in any way - and the whole University appears to be coming out the stronger for it.
To me, its always seemed that OSU is making the "popular" decision when faced with adversity. While this may be beneficial in the short-term there appear to be no "lessons learned" and the culture seems to be breeding itself to make the same mistakes.
This post was edited by UMPat 23 months ago
I guess I have mixed feelings on this. It is LOL because it does involve OSU but at that same time I completely disagree with his dad saying
"You don't want your son to go to a place where there's a potential issue (like this),"
If you are naive enough to think that there aren't random wierdos hanging out around college campuses all over this country trying to become friends with athletes then you have another thing coming for you. To think that the university could somehow keep these kids away from the student body (lol) is LOL.
This post was edited by bkp1883 23 months ago
Yes but the "weirdo" wasn't just near the student body, he was invited to be with them, he was their friend. I think the proper analogy would be if you interviewed for a job with a company. You like everything about the company, the organization, your boss, your co-workers. But then afterwards you all went out to dinner and your future co-workers invite a pedophile (not knowing he is one). So now you've hung out with this "weirdo" and discovered that all your future co-workers consider him a friend and your boss is okay with it, and then you figure out that this guy is a pedophile. Now this pedophile isn't just some groupie of the company, he's actually invited by the employees, and now all that information becomes public. Are you going to take that job, when a dozen other similar companies are eager to hire you as well? I wouldn't. Should a company have to/be expected to screen all of its groupies to ensure none of them are weirdo/pedophiles? No, but once he's become friends with the employees of the company, that automatically reflects on the values of that company - whether intentionally or not.
Although that is quite ironic that he would drop Ohio and consider PSU, Its even more ironic the Karma that is taking place currently. I mean Urban got a whole bunch of blue chippers from PSU because of their whole ordeal, and now a recruit is de-comitting over this situation. The only thing is that it is barely commensurate, and to be so Ohio would need to have 4 more decommits, or loose out on the remaining top players on their board.
Love how they praise this kid last week and call Hoke a bafoon for passing on him for Gedeon. Now this kid and his family are the scum of the earth and it's best Meyer cut ties immediately.
So what's better: having Gedeon as your LB recruit or having no one?
Who isn't to say that the pedophile was the icing on the cake and the larger issue was OSU allowing his 17 year old son to be photographed at a bar and have reports of boosters buying his underage son drinks.
And finally we have a winner. I have a 15 year old son, and I don't care what could happen on campus, I care about what DID happen, and this did. As a parent you do everything you can to protect your kids, knowing that at some point you have to let go of the rope. You don't let them go when they are 16 years old, they are not men, they are still boys. Rational or not, if my kid was at a bar, being photographed with a convicted pedophile, I would want Meyers head on a stick. For anyone to blast this parent, best of luck to you when you have children and go through something like this. What a messed up fan base down in Columbus, they should be ashamed.
I'm not familiar w/ the inner workings of recruiting... but wouldn't the coach/University have some sort of layout for the recruit to be involved in while making their visit? If not they should at least have knowledge of how their player reps are treating the recruits and what they're having them do.
I seen 17 year old Michigan commits jumping in the Maize Rage, then see 17 year old ohio commits hugging the creepiest lookin dude i've ever seen inside a bar.
I can completely sympathize with the emotional reaction. But Sal's comments are just that, emotional, not rational. You can't really expect Meyer and Ohio State to screen every random fan who shows up and wants to take photographs with players and recruits. Contrary to UMPat's trolling, he wasn't invited to be with the players by anyone affiliated with the university. There wasn't even an Ohio State coach or staff member present when he approached them. He was just a guy who came up, talked to them, and wanted a picture. He isn't a booster or affiliated with the university whatsoever. He is just a guy that attempted to make buddies with recruits. There is literally no rational person who would expect a university to be able to control every random guy who wants to talk to recruits when is out and about. This is what kids do on recruiting visits. They go out, meet students, drink, and have a good time. That's what I did at all my recruiting visits and I couldn't have blamed the universities I was at if a sick dude came up to me when I was out with the players.
Honestly, it's pretty clear from his comments that "Alex was already having second thoughts" that this is just being used as an excuse. Sal isn't a stupid guy, he knows he can't blame the university for random fans. It's likely they are feeling a bit embarrassed about decommitting so quickly and this felt like a good way out. It's unfortunate that it's happening this way. But the whole thing is a real non-issue for any objective minded person.
This post was edited by AllDay28 23 months ago
Your entire response is beyond disturbing. If you believe this is normal behavior for 16 and 17 year old kids, then the process is broken beyond repair and needs to stop. So you are out with players, at that age, drinking? If I was the coach, and my players helped 'show these kids a good time' like that, they wouldn't be my players. These kids didn't stumble into some random bar, they were led there. And seeing as you are so good at making assumptions about a family you don't know, so will I. This guy wasn't new to the players. They knew who could be exploited for free food and drinks, and they let these recruits know.
And that drug dealing, money laundering thug running that tattoo parlor wasn't a booster either, was he? How did that work out? There's a problem in Columbus, and it is not looking at this point like much is changing. That's what happens when the football program runs the University, and again, congrats on your awesome hire of a head coach.
Wait, what? Did you even read what I wrote? I went out drinking when I was 17 and 18 on all my recruiting visits. It's the way recruiting visits work and anyone who has played college sports knows this. In fact, I know it absolutely happens at Michigan as well as several of my HS teammates took visits there (and one went there). It doesn't matter what sport you play it happens. The kids knew this guy because he was the type of guy who hangs out at these bars. They hadn't been introduced to him by the school. He was a guy who hangs out at bars and attempts to make friends. Do you really expect Meyer to follow his players to the bar? And comparing this to kids hanging out with a drug dealer is, at best, disingenuous.
All this indignation over underage drinking and a random guy who approaches players on his own is either disingenuous or a blatant attempt to make the issue into something it's not. I get that our fan bases like to attempt to smear one another, but this one is laughable.
Ohio State sure seems to be making a big deal out of it now.
So...not so laughable?
How so? There was a little initial worry before all the facts came out. Then the university told the kids to stay away from him and told him to stay away from the kids. That was basically the extent of what the university did. Now, once ESPN starts writing articles about it, it requires response. But I don't think anyone thought it was a big deal until all the rumors started flying around and people started jumping to conclusions that, as far as we know, aren't true.
Does Ohio State commonly tell student athletes to avoid specific boosters in a very public manner?
As a parent and a HUGE Michigan fan if my 17 year old ended up in a bar on a Michigan recruiting trip, I would just talk to my child about maybe going somewhere else. If that trip to the bar included him taking photographs with a convicted child pornographer and this person buying my son drinks, I would be done with Michigan and so would my child.
I know a family in Pennsylvania that's not laughing. And it is comforting to know that the University has fully investigated this and has informed the NCAA that there is nothing to see here, all in less than 16 hours of the story breaking, but not shocking seeing as the last investigation was also wrapped up rather quickly and efficiently with similar finding by the University.
There seems to be a bad element associated with that program, at least looking from the outside, and it doesn't seem to be changing.
And nice dig at UM, because you know for a fact it goes on here also. Nice job of spinning, deflecting, and leveling, you get an A for that.
How about this? Stop blaming the kid and his parents. Anything short of that--is LAUGHABLE.
In your scenario, you hang out with this weirdo all night and don't think anything of it, only to later find info they were a Pedo. So you were duped just like everyone else, yet you should hold it against them for not realizing it, even though you didn't either at first? And since the employees found out they have told this person to never come around again?
I think Anzalone is a totally different situation because he is a high school athlete photographed with a Pedo, but your scenario where I assume it is adult looking at a job seems like a bit extreme reaction. If I was a parent I would want my child nowhere near that situation again. If I was an adult looking at a job, I'd realize the guy hid his issues and if everyone realized it and said they made a mistake hanging out with him, I wouldn't hold it against them.
I'm not blaming anyone, I'm saying it's a non issue and being used as a smokescreen since he was already having doubts.
By saying what you just said, YOU ARE BLAMING THEM! Don't you understand that? If you don't, I can't help you. Like I said, shameless. This family is making all of this up, subjecting their kid to attacks by thousands of osu fans, just because they don't want to admit that he just thought the girls in Columbus were not hot enough? or whatever reason YOU think is the real reason.
This post was edited by Proud2BBlue 23 months ago
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