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Well, he must be a super sleeper then because his offer list doesn't scream phenomenal. It screams short for an elite CB.
He's only a sophomore man. His offers will undoubtedly come.
So don't recruit Shaun Crawford because of his height.....Got it.
He's one of the best players in Ohio for 2015, or coaches would have to be idiots not to be interested in him. Luckily that's not the case.
Shaun Crawford offer list:
Find me a 2015 CB with a better offer list..
Lol, people can't be this dense..
This post was edited by Jbolin9992 13 months ago
Just a quick two cents here.
Michigan is recruiting two distinguishable types of corners; the long, lanky types like Stribling and Reon Dawson, and the shorter, quicker Terry Richardson, Ross Douglas types.
You have to remember what Ohio State is building with the speed around the edges type of receivers that they've brought in with the last couple classes. The coaches are trying to build the type of defense that can stop what Meyer is doing and having speedy tacklers at the corner position is a necessity in neutralizing Ohio State's offense.
If anyone knows how to stop an Urban Meyer offense, it's Mattison. A big part of what they're building is designed to win on the third Saturday in November because the odds are that game is going to be more meaningful in the future than it has been the past five years or so. Keeping the edge, and having players who can keep up with the James Clark and Dontre Wilson-types is something that has to be done.
That's true of every sophomore and the the best looking ones already have offers from the best teams. We have a couple dozen 2015 offers out already ourselves and he isn't one. He might turn out to be an excellent CB at the next level and he might not. IMO we need a bigger, taller secondary and taking more 5'9" guys doesn't move us in that direction.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 13 months ago
+1s for you and for Steve. That argument cannot possibly be serious. A cornerback from Ohio (Ohio!) has multiple SEC offers in March of his sophomore year, and we have someone calling him a "super sleeper." I mean, I understand there are 2015s like Jacques Patrick with 28 offers already but good god...
You wanna know how many CBs Florida St. has offered from the midwest, or anywhere outside of the South for that matter?
The fact that they would offer him this early with all of the in-state talent they have at their disposal should tell you something. And if it doesn't, listen harder.
Couple dozen? I think we have 4
OLB n Utah
RB in FL
Why aren't Bama and LSU loading up on 5'9" CBs? I had to go back four classes just to find one and that was Mathieu. You don't need 5'9" CBs to have an elite defense.
So what about when we go up against teams who have kids like Artavis Scott or Alvin Bailey in the slot? Would you want a 4.5 kid who is 6' covering these sub-6' WR's that run 4.4's? Or an ultra quick, ultra fast CB with great instincts, who will more than make up for the 2 inch height differential with an unparalleled vertical? Shaun Crawford is a freak athlete, and not every team is going to throw 6'+ WR's at us.
Are you really not getting it? I'm trying not to offend but I don't think you're trying to follow what me and others are saying.
According to the 247 page we have 10 out, which is more than 4 but a damn far sight from "a couple dozen" lol
Fine, it's not a couple dozen. It's ten. But the larger point stands.
Tyrohe Wheatley Jr.
Yes, I get it. You think we should offer 5'9" CBs and I don't. I get it perfectly. We just disagree.
What does Alabama do?
Crawford is an elite prospect and a big Michigan fan. He is athletic enough to play on either side of the ball and is very likely to be offered whether anybody on here wants him to be offered or not. Beside his talent and Michigan fandom, he plays at a powerhouse Ohio school.
Obviously every recruiting analyst has his/her own opinion, but one early ranking of 2015 prospects has Crawford ranked as the #7 prospect in the entire nation in his class.
If, and the big if, the kid is the exception then yes crawford should get offered.
It's one thing if you argued that crawford was not good enough to be the exception. Then I can't argue with you because you are entitled to your opinion of crawford's ability.
You are arguing that there shouldn't be exceptions or exceptions don't occur and that's far from the truth. That's why we are butting heads.
I'm not arguing that there aren't exceptions. I'm arguing that they are rare (which is why we call them exceptions in the first place) and you are fighting the odds if you are trying to identify them. The better strategy is to play the odds and go with the measurables. Nowadays, you don't look for elite 6'0" OL and you don't look for elite 5'10" LBs. So why would you look for elite 5"9" CBs? Yes, a few will emerge here and there (and frankly we already have several on the roster), but if you want to build an elite secondary like Bama and LSU have you don't do it by recruitng 5'9" CBs. Maybe Crawford will be the rare exception. Or maybe he will move to the offensive side of the ball or become a great kick returner and utility player. But I would not recruit him as a CB. We need bigger CBs, not more 5'9" CBs.
Dude, we are getting both....I don't understand the issue.
Is "playing the odds" not what the coaches are doing? They've offered 14 CBs between 2014 and 2015 classes...of those, 11 are 5'11 or taller. If I expand the field to include safeties, it's 18 of 22. It's really the end of the world if 18% of our DB offers go to 5'10 or shorter players? Wut?
I'd challenge you to find any elite defensive team that never offers short CBs, they way you're proposing we do. Being completely doctrinaire about this is silly and absurd.
, there's no hope in this because you have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of how scouting and recruiting occurs and that's not going to chg.
Ill just add one more thought. I know exactly what attracts me in a woman. Dark skin, natural hair, full knockers, and a butt to sit a drink on. So when i go to the club to find something to scoop for the night, though I know what i like and prefer im still looking at everyone in the room. By looking at everyone in the room i may see a light skin chick with a long weave with breast and thighs for days. She isnt my prototype but she surely is bad enough to take home. This is scouting, the coaches aren't out looking for the exception but sometimes you find the exception.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Luger 13 months ago
No, I don't. Measurables matter. It's why we have an NFL combine and pro days. 5'9" is very short for an elite CB today. It's just a fact. It's no one's fault and I guarantee you no one wishes Crawford was taller more than Crawford himself, but facts are facts. 5'9" is small for an elite CB and no amount of speed or fluid hips will change it. Go rewatch our undersized CBs trying to defend Golden Tate and Micheael Floyd from 2009-2011 and maybe you will begin to understand. Size matters.
To my imaginary girlfriend? Yes it does.
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