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Jake Ryan definitely has to be someone that a kid like Berger looks up to. Seems like Berger's getting a bit more pub than Ryan had coming out of high school, but if anyone can honestly say that Jake Ryan isn't one of the 5 best LBs in the country I think they're fooling themselves. So Ryan creates a good model for what I'm sure Michigan has in mind with Berger, and that'd certainly be attractive. Which is why it's hard to argue that OSU/Michigan aren't at least 50/50 for Berger, regardless of who Berger grew up a fan of.
To that point, I think sometimes people put too much weight on who players grew up a fan of in the first place. Derrick Green supposedly was an OSU fan (or Eddie George fan specifically), he chose Michigan. Jabrill Peppers grew up a Michigan fan, may end up at Stanford. Laurence Jones in Louisiana grew up an OSU fan, no way he doesn't end up at LSU. Vonn Bell was a Tennessee fan, opted for OSU over Tennessee. If we're being honest, many of the players on Michigan's roster that grew up in Ohio probably were OSU fans at one point. They chose Michigan. Any Michigan players on OSU's roster were likely UM fans at some point. But when it comes down to it, more often than not these athletes are going to choose the situation that best fits them -- and the place where they feel they're going to shine, childhood dreams aside. In my experience the recruits themselves tend to pay much less attention to team-allegiances than the fans do.
Goddammit man, you make it so darn hard to universally hate Buckeye fans.
It's true though - I've had the opportunity to chat with a number of execs in various front offices across all the major pro sports, and universally, what they've all said is that you go wherever fits you and provides the best opportunity, and then you grow to love that team quickly. Met a guy in the Cowboys front office who grew up a die-hard Eagles fan, but within a year he was all Cowboy. I would imagine the situation goes double for players - regardless of who you grew up a fan of, if another team provides the best opportunity and most comfortable situation, you go there, and you quickly learn to love the team.
It's why I found it ridiculous when people on both sides of the aisle were making a big deal about Reon Dawson saying he was an OSU fan after he signed his LOI. Of course he is - for now - but after a few years of playing for Michigan, you can be damn sure he'll be a bigger Michigan fan. Just look at Frank Clark - the kid went to Glenville, FFS, and yet here he is sacking the bejesus out of Braxton Miller and screaming with pride afterwards.
Haha thank you as always CMXI!
I agree with every point you made 100%. I also think sometimes we overlook the difference between the die-hard and the casual fan. The die-hard fan says "I love Michigan/OSU so much that I'd rather die than go to OSU/Michigan," but those people are the vast minority. Most recruits even if they were OSU/Michigan fans growing up, were what I'd classify as casual fans and not diehards. They're not going to overlook a chance to play at any big-time university just because of a childhood fandom. I'm a big fan in the sense that I've watched every OSU game since I was 5 or 6 years old, but I'm not what I'd qualify as a diehard fan. I visited my best friend (who was a UM graduate student in the field of Architecture & Urban Planning) while I was in grad school at UT every other week or so, and I personally love Ann Arbor as a city. I'm objective enough that I can enjoy A2 and appreciate UM as one of the most attractive, impressive universities in the U.S. Most recruits I'd say are likely objective in that way, as well, regardless of who they were a fan of growing up. Alright though, enough of me clogging this board with OSU talk again, have a good one!
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by dukeluke 13 months ago
The only recruit in recent memory that I can think of that was absolutely 100% a die-hard UM fans is Shane Morris. While others were unquestionably huge UM fans (LTT, for example), Morris is the only one that I'd have been comfortable calling a lock from the first time we offered him.
2015 Michigan star Brian Cole was impressed with what he saw at Ohio State over the weekend and walked away with a scholarship offer from the Buckeyes.
With Roy Manning as a Saginaw native on staff, I think you'll start to see Michigan do pretty well with the players in that area.
Pretty sure Roy Manning will kick Urban's ass in recruiting kids out of Saginaw
Lulz at the guy who says Urbs gets 100% of his offerees
Why do we even try recruiting in our own state anymore? I mean honestly we are going to lose every recruit to Urban and his magical lies. I just... dont know what to do.
Berger update from the enemy. This is going to come down to the wire.
Find out top recruit Kyle Berger's timeline for a college choice and what made him like the Buckeyes even more on his most recent visit to Columbus.
We've lost one guy in our home state to Urban while they've lost about 30 guys from their home state to Hoke.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
But urban didn't want them, if he did we would not have had a chance.
5 posts in and this guy gets it. Welcome to the board!
Thanks! How can anyone not get it. Since the recruiting guru took the helm Ohio is the premiere destination for all recruits, the one exception being OL but that has no bearing on good teams. Best if we face reality now and accept that Ohio will win every BIG 10 championship while Urbzzzzz is there.
Had his best visit yet to Ohio and it is still a 50/50 battle, i will take that.
Est part about this , we get to get it over with. Either we lose him and go after other options, or rub in ohio's fans faces all year! I'd like to think of it as a win-win situation here.
I can actually feel the sarcasm dripping off this post, and I love it.
I like this guy
You like everyone
My favorite part of this are the ridiculous statistics that are made up! Meyer closes 100% on all recruits he wants, hahaha! At least someone had the sense to say with 100 offers out there and a class of 20 means he only closes about 20%. That person must have gone to Miami OH but is a Buckeye fan.
Even better was the guy saying the get 30% of all the OOS offers and 80% of the in-state. Last year alone they missed out on Shelton Gibson (they didn't want him), Malik Zaire (didn't want him either), DeVeon Smith (DEFINITELY didn't want him), Mitch Trubisky (wasn't needed) and a few others in state. With those 4 alone and only getting 10 in state kids that is already 71% without me even naming any others.
They say 73.6% of all statistics are made up.
Since we are on the topic of Urbz, I thought I would share this little story. His wife is from Chillicothe, OH, where I live now. I ran into her friend one night and she said that her and Urbz wife were going out on the town. Well, even though I didn't go where they were going, my friends told me that Meyer's wife was bumping and grinding on a bunch of young guys, and ended up pissing herself on the dance floor. Urban must be proud that he recruited her to be his wife...
This post was edited by n8wildey 13 months ago
Wow- u was there too?
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