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I do agree that a win would speak volumes to everyone, I disagree that its essential to winning commitments from Hand or other elite recruits. One, Hand is very much interested in the academic offerings of programs and that has nothing to do with what happens on Saturdays. Two, there are countless teams Hand will consider that won't even play Bama, so again its not going to be that large of a factor. 3. Kids want to see the product of UM football, which can be demonstrated on the field without the result being a W. Our play on the field was recognized by commits last yr, its night and day what we have now vs what we had 2 yrs ago. Our tradition, academics, facilities and coaches will speak so much louder than a W against Bama. Not to say a W wouldn't be a plus, just saying it’s by no means a requirement.
As an aside, you also have to keep a proper perspective. I agree that Hoke has us going in the proper direction, but in no way can anyone say we are ready to be considered the best in the nation. Hoke hasn't even had his first full recruiting class on the field yet, yes we had success and over achieved last yr but frankly we don't have the athletes at every position as say a Bama, LSU, or USC. In saying all of that, I do see us being national champs in the next 3-4 yrs once Hoke's classes have accumulated.
This post was edited by Luger 2 years ago
Luger, I can't tell if you are merely supplementing my post or disagreeing with my opinion.
- While Hand may be interested in academics (and more so than the average top tier recruit), I think it will ultimately come down to football. And Alabama/Saban are currently kings of college football. Someone has to dethrone them.
- Second, "countless" seems like a needless stretch no?
And I think we all know that Hand will only focus on a limited number of schools when push comes to shove. Everyone else will be window dressing.
- Third, I disagree with this sentence: "Our tradition, academics, facilities, and coaches will speak so much louder than a W against Bama."
I disagree because Bama can offer all of those things (minus academics) at essentially the same level as Michigan. But as any good student knows, it's not the institution that makes the student but the student that makes the institution. So if Hand is truly committed toward insuring a future after football, he'll be able to find an academic niche at Bama as well.
So then how does Michigan differentiate itself from Alabama?
In my opinion, it has to do it by either showing substantial progress (a close loss) or with something definitive (a victory). Again, a win would absolutely help us with Hand but nowhere did I state that it was a "requirement" for landing him.
- Lastly, you suggest that I should "keep a proper perspective" but you seem to have misinterpreted by sentence. I even *clearly* said Michigan has to show that it is "on the verge of becoming the best." And the way to earning that label is by winning but nowhere did I say that Michigan automatically becomes the best by virtue of a single win over the reigning champions.
This post was edited by Frank C 2 years ago
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now you're flip flopping, look at your original post where you said the only way we get Hand and others is a W against Bama. Thats has been the point I have disagreed with from start, stick to your guns kid.
Drop the condescension.
And yes, I made a mistake. I should have phrased my original post as "Michigan would greatly increase its odds of landing all 3 with a victory over Alabama to start the season."
I'm going to edit that post.
none was given.
Then here's some unsolicited advice: don't refer to a 20-something as a "kid" on a forum. Just a friendly FYI.
Just chiming in here, but Poggi said that he REALLY liked Michigan's academics and that he couldn't pass up on them for Alabama.
How do we know you're not 40 something? Oops that could either be condescending or a compliment. :-)
That's right, us MD boys take education seriously.
i don't know you from a can of paint, don't be so sensitive. In NY, kid is tossed around as easily as sir, ma'am, brother, compadre, or whateva.
I'm originally from NYC.
Even though I've lived longer in St. Louis, I still identify myself as a New Yorker.
Btw, you could've easily typed "stick to your guns" and not "stick to your guns kid."
The former is more tactful than the latter.
Ultimately, it's much ado about nothing.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Frank C 2 years ago
That's excellent to hear. Hopefully, Da'Shawn Hand will feel the same way.
Your facetious attempt fell flat imo.
But to answer your (rhetorical?) question, you won't. Not unless you meet me in person.
And I wish this forum had a multiquote feature. That way, posters could reply to multiple posts in a single reply.
c'mon we still on this..
back to 2014, I'm curious to see who the coaches focus on early. Depending on what happens with Green/Wilkins, RB may be the position of focus outside the OL/DL. I like the offers that have gone out, especialy the kid out of NJ Hillman
Seriously Frank, I always assumed you were older based on some of your input...thus 40 is a complement I believe. If I met you in person, and you are 20+ as you said, then guessing 40 would be taken the other way... if you even cared. Thus, my last post was only to difuse your conversation with Lugar via a joking and poorly disguised complement.
I did also read his "kid" as just a phrase if it matters.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Uncle Newt 2 years ago
Thanks for taking the initiative to get this thread back on track!
Of the RBs our coaches have shown interest in thus far, I like Jonathan Hilliman, Jamitreus Crockham, Daniel Gresham, and Lorenzo Collins in that order.
Bo Scarborough would be at the top but unless he visits us I won't consider him a possibility. (I wonder if a close loss or a win over Bama to start the season might us get Scarborough on campus.)
My bad Uncle Newt.
Just not a good night for me, huh?
I'm tripping on this thread.
No worries. Glad you're on the board.
Nice to see a recruit not just talk academics but show it. Good win for Michigan.
O-Lineman, KC McDermott rumored to have gotten a UM offer by another site. Looks like hes got some good technique, explodes off the ball, turns his hips well to seal off the hole.
That was reported by this site.
Oops my bad!
Frank C in the Lou? Where you at son?
What are Michigan's chances for Jabrill Peppers? He is a can't miss prospect.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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