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Wow. Crap, I guess Sparty really can say they recruit internationally.
We really can't compete with their recruiting prowess.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
So then if everyone who is commited signs are we not taking anyone else ? Or will we stay at 27? And if so do we get to take our last scholarship for this year and add it to next years ?
We'll probably be done unless there's a Norfleet out there this year. My guess is we're done.
And we're not really saving a scholarship - we actually have too many. We have a 27 person class and we have 60 players returning for now. That's 87 players, when we're only supposed to have 85. So we need attrition of 2 before fall ball.
We're done IMO
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
Sparty sits on their board and knocks the #4 recruiting class in the country constantly. They knock us for the most idiotic reasons. One of their posters recently knocked D. Green, which was comical. Sparty complains to any and all, because they cannot win the recruiting wars. They recruit 2*s and coach them up. Great. More power to you. But ... insulting your rival for compiling a #4 (#1 on Scout) recruiting class shows your ignorance.
Note: And their "scUM" verbiage is so childish. I understand it is an MSU education. But, please show some maturity.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by UMRSB 15 months ago
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
Last time I was on there, they had a thread about how a couple of their commits had been bumped up to 4-stars, and one of them was like "I'm glad Coach Dantonio is so good at identifying talent before anyone else...I can think of one school where all their kids dropped based on their senior year performance..."
I think this is my new favorite thread, where Sparty attempts to rationalize their terrible recruiting by saying that Damion Terry is obviously better than Shane Morris, so their class will be fine.
This is my favorite comment: "The class I will be most excited about is the year we land 5 offensive lineman with a couple of those being studs."
Gee, I wonder what that's like...OH WAIT.
recruiting classes are ranked, of course, by how many stars and ave. per star.
From my perspective, I am not knocking their classes. They are recruiting at the level I would expect from MSU. They have had some success 'coaching up' 2*s, and it worked to their advantage when ND and Michigan were down for 3-5 years.
But .... to ridicule Michigan for a #1 recruiting class, and make childish comments i.e. "scUM", really shows their inability to reason. I understand their constant need to be considered at the same level of Michigan, but to identify the success of your rival as a mockery, typifies their fan base as ignorant.
They got a thread going where they want to be out of the same division as Michigan. This way it will be them and OSU in Indy every year. PSU and OSU will dominate that division with Michigan never whiffing the B1GCCG
This post was edited by RicoX19 15 months ago
I enjoyed that one, too.
Also enjoyed the idea that Jim Delaney is playing favorites for Michigan and OSU by putting the prime recruiting states in their division (Ohio, Penn, NJ, MD) to purposely bone MSU, not because they're the biggest fanbases with the most pull on the East coast or anything...
I half expect to see a thread on tRCMB soon entitled "Jim Delaney: Worse than Hitler?"
In the coming years, PSU isn't going to dominate anything. They'll probably have a true freshman QB starting next year and then starting in 2014, they'll be allowed to only have 65 kids on scholly for the next 4 years after that. That's a huge hit to depth and competition. And it's not like they've been getting a USC like recruiting class. They've got a few good pieces, but I think the rest of the decade is not going to be too friendly for them.
We'll see. Why do you think we'll have a true freshman QB starting in 2013? Keep in mind we also had 68 players on scholarship in 2012. While we did get somewhat lucky with injuries, I'd say that's about the season to expect going forward, depending on the OOC schedule.
Like I said before (in another thread, I think), PSU will compete with the middle tier of teams like Wisconsin, MSU, Nebraska. Very good coach, good S&C program, and an elite QB will help get us through the next few years.
That said, I don't want to see PSU in a division with OSU and Michigan. Competitive balance in that case would be way off, IMO.
Penn State just needs to survive for the next 3 years.
If Penn State goes 7-5 or 8-4 (on average) the next 3 years, the Nittany Lions will be fine going forward.
The key is to develop the limited classes and have as little attrition as possible.
This post was edited by Frank C 14 months ago
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glad to see someone else who gets it
Part that kills me is PSU got basically the death penalty and still have better recruiting classes than Wiscy, Sparty etc
Bill O'Brien has been a great recruiter for them. I'd venture to say that if sanctions had never hit they were the one school that would have given Michigan a run for their money with Michael Ferns.
Article out today on ESPN about decommits...gosh do these quotes not look good for Nebraska
Former Nebraska commitment Dominic Walker was fearful of what people would think when he flipped his commitment to Auburn last week. And according to the four-star prospect, the first call he made was enough to make his fears concrete. He told the Orlando Sentinel that he phoned Bo Pelini and his staff and got nothing but resentment on the other end.
"I thought I had to call them like a real man should," Walker said. "But, yeah, they were mad. Coach Pelini said, 'Best of luck. You're going to need it.'"
According to Walker, receivers coach Rich Fisher chimed in as well.
"Coach Fisher said, 'I can't believe you,'" Walker told the Sentinel. "It was really awkward."
I mean, I guess everyone is poaching Nebraska's commits these days so maybe this was a "last straw" sort of thing, but seems like they handled that really poorly.
To be honest, I'm not that familiar with your QB depth chart, so I was kind of assuming Hackenberg would start at some point his true freshman year. Mostly based on that no one showed anything behind McGloin in previous years. Who do you expect to start?
And I never said PSU would fall off the earth, just that they won't dominate until a few years past the sanctions. 65 players on scholly will eventually catch up to the team; not even just injuries, but reduced competition in practice will bring down the team a bit. BOB does seem like a very good coach though, and is doing a good job recruiting considering all he's fighting. But I just don't think a team that has 65 kids on scholly and isn't recruiting on an elite level isn't built to last. And once the sanctions are over, and PSU can replenish the roster, we'll probably have 16 teams in the conference and we'll have to re-do all this talk again.
1. What's up with Neb's recruiting? With the tradition, facilities, money, etc, I thought they would be able to recruit much better than they have. Callahan could certainly recruit.
2. Maybe Pelini shouldn't have given him quite as much 'lip', but man, he and his staff have every right to be angry. You gave the man your word, he was counting on you, and now you're jumping ship last minute. What is he supposed to say/feel? I would be pissed to.
I don't want to turn this into a full-blown PSU discussion with mass posts because it's a Michigan board, so I'll respond to everyone in this post.
FrankC - Agreed. I feel like with an easy OOC schedule, we should be able to go around 8-4 most every year. If we manage to get a good year (e.g. when Hack has experience, maybe a lot of seniors on the team, etc.), that would help.
inuyesta - The thing is, I know why they shouldn't split the divisions with ONLY competitive balance in mind. It changes yearly. However, it's obvious going forward that the consistently competitive teams will be Michigan, OSU, and Nebraska (PSU once sanctions are over, but I expect the conference to add teams by then). The other teams (e.g. Wisconsin, MSU, Northwestern), should have good spurts but not consistent. Splitting the "brands" 3 vs. 1 would create too much competitive imbalance, IMO.
Rico - credit to the coaching staff. They've worked their tails off to find kids and keep them.
Steve - losing out on Ferns kills me. Great kid and great player. I'd have loved to see him at TE in Bill O'Brien's offense (he and Breneman would be a killer duo).
1. Yeah, makes no sense at all, hope they're able to turn it around quickly
2. I mean, it's OK to be mad on the inside I guess, but dude has been a coach for years, you'd think he'd have stopped taking decommits personally by this point. You especially shouldn't want a story like that to get out in public like this...if I'm a Nebraska target who hears about this, aren't I going to be less likely to commit, knowing I'll get yelled at and essentially told that I suck if I ever change my mind or want to look around? Handle the situation with some class and see if you can't reflip the kid imo. I doubt Hoke was that bitter toward Ward or Conley or any of the others.
This post was edited by inuyesta 15 months ago
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