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For me, it's a question of would the staff allow it. Im 110% positive Dawson want's a second chance at Michigan. It's clear, but It would be hard to stay true to the policy and let him back in.
What evidence makes you belive this? Just curious because I don't see it happening.
I think the recruits want him back but will the coaches have him back?
While I dont see Dawson in this class, I can see Hoke allowing him back based on the extenuating circumstances in Dawsons life. Hoke is a good man and will try to help the young man if DD comes and has a heartfelt talk with Hoke anything could happen. Plus the kid is a mauler and can play.
Other recruiting analysts, chipping in about twitter convo's with current players. Khalid Hill.
This is what I believe.
Dawson wanted to see Florida. He thought that he wanted to go there, but he didn't want to lose his place at Michigan. That's why he tried to be sneaky about his visit. That failed, so he went to Florida anyways. Did not like it as much as he anticipated. He doesn't want to go there. He wants to be at Michigan. Now he's realizing how stupid he was in not talking to the coaches and being honest, so he's going to take his time and just play in the Big Ten.
I do not think the coaches will give him a second chance after the way he treated them with absolutely no class.
Is it bad of me to only want this to happen see another Sparty meltdown?
Agreed. Based on the chatter I spoke about, I don't think Michigan will re-offer, unless something drastic happens.
Re: Dawson, I have changed my mind in the last 48 hours. He made the same mistake a few times, flirting with another team he thought he may have interest in. It was a violation of the coaches' policy and he got his offer pulled as a result.
It's also against the coaches' policy to break the law, I assume, such as drunk driving and stealing a laptop. So... The statements in those cases when allowing the kids back on the team was that sometimes kids make mistakes and you need to stand by them and help them learn.
If the recruits want him back, if he apologizes to his future teammates, and to the coaches, would they be more harsh on him? Maybe they see him as a future headache and will set an example, but I'm not 100% convinced of this anymore if the kid really wants to be back in the class. He might not, but I can't imagine him falling in love with MSU and OSU all of a sudden after disliking them so much 2 months ago.
I would be very shocked if this happened ..... unless .... an agreement is reached that the coaches get to make an example.
“Those who stay will be champions”
― Bo Schembechler
Agreed. I can see Hoke talking to commits/players and getting their input on this decision also. Because at the end of the day .. if it's the players that have to abide by the rules .. then I think they should have some say on if he should be allowed back in the class.
If our other verbal commits are okay with it, I think Hoke should take Dawson back. He's a kid who is suffering through an incredible personal tragedy. He needs guidance and Hoke/UM should be open to providing it to him. Hoke talks about how important it is to him that he and his coaches make a positive difference in kids' lives. This a chance to do it for a good kid who badly needs it.
I think the chances of getting Peppers are pretty good. We're in his top 3.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
I really hope he is a part of Team 134 when it's all said and done. Kids mess up, his situation is certainly extraordinary, but he showed so much love and ambition for the university and future teammates when he was committed that I believe Michigan is where his heart is. We actually aren't fully aware of Hoke's policy because we have never seen anyone(specifically Brown) try to recommit after losing their spot. We've just seen the decommit/pulled scholly part of it. PB committed to Oregon right away, but what if he didn't and it came down to NSD and we still had spots left? Would Hoke have re-offered?
I also think there is a chance Dawson ends up in the class, but certainly not right away. If he reaches out to the coaches to say that he made a mistake and that he still wants to be there, I would expect them to listen, but wouldn't expect them to re-offer the scholarship right away. They should continue to see if there is another OL option out there that they would be happy with. If NSD comes around and we still haven't filled his spot (and he has continued to express a desire to be at UM), then perhaps he gets his offer back. I could even see it going past NSD. Having to wait it out would ensure that he truly does want to be part of the class.
Of course, all of this assumes that he is actually having regrets. I'd like to hear him come out and say so before we go too far down this road of speculation.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BobUfer 17 months ago
Has he even tried talking to the coaches recently? I still don't think he'll be back in this class.
Dawson is gone. Everyone needs to come to terms with that. His spot was w/ the latest commit.
His current spot was, but odds are very low that we get all of LT, Green, and LM3, so there is always a chance a spot is still open on signing day. I think it's more likely we end up with an open spot than we end up full.
Look, I'm not at all hung up on whether he comes back or not. Was just offering an opinion on whether the coaches would take him back if he wanted to. But to simply say "Dawson is gone", without offering anything to support that position, doesn't show much appreciation for how much things can change in a recruiting cycle...
This post was edited by BobUfer 17 months ago
Agreed. I believe there 'could' be a chance DD is back with the class. However, 'only' with a formal apology to the coaches. I would also consult the current recruits and ask their opinion. This is a team, and the team should have some input on letting him back into the house - so to speak. Also, the coaches should be allowed to make an example of the situation, to educate current (and future) recruits on how not to handle a situation.
In the end, DD needs to 'step up' - be a man, and admit he was wrong to the coaches. A man's character is bigger than his pride, and this single step will help with the reconciliation process.
Don't worry about SuhOwnsYou.. I recall a thread pre-season (Page 240 of this thread, actually.. had to verify it before calling him out) where he said Toussaint and Lewan were likely going pro w/ good season and that he didn't want ANY other 5th year senior returning because Gibbons sucked and Thomas Gordon, Q-Wash and Gallon would be passed up by freshman. Sometimes demonstrates a little Stephen-A-Smith-style with the opinions...
This post was edited by Dizzo 17 months ago
This is exactly my feelings on the situation. Apologies to the recruits in the class and the coaches, and a strong desire, then maybe they'd consider it. This is about setting examples, but it's also about not giving away talent to your rivals. The coaches won't be so stubborn that they just give a top prospect to MSU/OSU, especially from Cass Tech, if he wants back in that bad and they still think he has potential... Maybe he won't, maybe they are fed up, who knows, but this is not a situation any of us will have enough info about to know what is really going on or has gone on behind the scenes.
I think the only prospect that may have a problem with Dawson coming back into the class is Kyle Bosch, going off from what he said about Dawson at The Opening.
Bosch had every reason to say what he did .. and Dawson should understand that if he truly were to intend to mend things with the coaching staff. If he doesn't understand where Bosch was coming from, then maybe he doesn't fully grasp the shenanigans that he pulled. My
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