In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 463
Online now 95 Record: 7264 (3/12/2012)
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
yeah, have a feeling every Michigan site is gonna be ugly
I've already watched the Deveon Smith junior season highlights this morning, so I'm good.
There we go. Ty who?
tbh guys...Deveon Smith might be a better overall back than Ty Isaac. I just watched their films back to back twice. Give me your input but this is what I see. Pros and Cons of each.
Pros: Size, Speed, Catching Ability (not out of backfield), Athleticism, good burst from second tier to third tier, cutback ability, B gap...outside Tackles back.
Cons: Vision, lack of competition, product of offense (wing-t), pad level...all his plays look the same before he gets to the linebackers (inside hand off, OL trap play)
Pros: Vision, Burst through the hole, patience, Power Runner, Feature back, pad level, blocking, plays in pro style offense, toughness, size, competition, inside Tackles back, great balance
Cons: top end speed, catching out of backfield
Do I want Isaac? Yes
Is he a must get? Would be if we didn't already have a 4* back
Why? Isaac is a special athlete and can do just about anything you want. Has all the tools to be a great player. However, Deveon is a prototypical back for a pro style offense.
Having Smith is great...having both would be amazing, but we don't NEED both. So no need for a meltdown if we don't land him. Remember we have Fitz for 2 more years if he doesn't leave early. So if we don't land Isaac we have plenty of time to land a top 5 back for 2014 class.
Give me you feedback.
"Those Who Stay...Will be Champions"
Don't be that guy...
Ty Isaac is the better back of the two and imo its not even close. Isaac is in the top 50 on 3 sites for a reason.
Out of the four in the video I was most impressed with Dawson. He looked like a man amongst boys with an impressive tenacity.
I watch Smith every week..competition is average at best so i wouldnt list it as a pro and then list it as a con for Ty..I would love to have both but DeVeon is going to get his carries no matter what IMO because the kid is talented and he runs with a passion that not many his age can match..My worry on him is same as i had on Fitz when i watched him in HS which came true..that being early injury because of the aggressive running style..Early on Smith would be better off pulling back slightly because he is bulldozing cats in HS but its not wise to early in CFB because the big boys been in a college weight program for a few yrs and those hits will be much bigger..i know some get away with it as MLattimore has at SC but Smiths HS Howland plays in a smaller Div in Ohio and its a huge difference.
Yeah I agree, but I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed. Michigan is an amazing school and a beautiful campus, but its not southern California. Auburn, Alabama, Miami, USC, are all schools that have been in and out of trouble (more than once) since I was a young boy ironically they all have typically strong recruiting classes landing many kids on signing day.
This post was edited by buttesnake 23 months ago
Come on now... the Isaac family has done everything the 'right' way so far in terms of being honest, admitting they don't like the process, and stating they want to visit their finalists to get all their questions answered and decide some time before his season. No reason to throw out claims that USC is offering improper benefits, it's insulting to the family and in some degree USC (though they made the bed, so stuck dealing with the fallout from Bush, etc).
I do not know anything about the Isaac family and have no idea the improper benefits they would offer an intercollegiate football player or anyone else for that matter. The offer would come from the school if I understand the process? Lane Kiffin is a snake and USC has a deplorable record littered with violations. In my opinion the coaches word isn't worth the air he uses to form the words, and their program has values that are questionable at best. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Kiffin a coordinator when all the problems occurred with Bush and the rest of that giant heap of .
Do we pay attention to peoples resumes anymore?
Yes Kiffin was on the staff when the Bush stuff happened but I'm pretty sure Kiffin name is no where in the NCAA report. Also it seems like the NCAA and Paul Dee are scared out of there ass right now they might regret for hitting SC so hard
I am going to have to disagree. I absolutely love Deveon Smith and think he is very underrated on all 3 sites. Reminds me of Pipkins. He was so underrated at the beginning of last year and the sites are stubborn to move guys up a lot. Pipkins eventually got close to where he deserved to be but we will see if Smith gets there as well.
"He wasn't on the report" If you believe that this stuff was going on and Kiffin had no idea as his coordinator, then I have a nice piece of property you might like in Saskatchewan. Scared, who and why would the NCAA be scared of USC? The NCAA isn't run well enough to be scared of anyone, if they were they would be scared of themselves and the lack of efficiency they go about doing anything with. How about the Tennessee situation? Do you think he could get a job in the SEC?
#Michigan has offered seffner, fl wr alvin bailey
Alvin Bailey Armwood High 2013 WR/Ath.
The NCAA is scared of the McNair lawsuit going to trial. This has been posted on all the SC forums, pretty interesting. achindah93 posts
Found on another site...just sharing.
So I checked out the public docket to see what's going on in this case and even paid a few bucks to get a key court order where the judge ruled on recent discovery motions. The big news is that McNair's lawyer filed a motion to obtain a commission to take Paul Dee's deposition in Florida. This is standard practice when you need to depose an uncooperative witness in another state. The court granted this commission on April 24, so very likely at some point this month the most corrupt administrator in the history of college football will be profusely sweating as he is grilled under oath about his breathtaking hypocrisy and abuse of power.
This development comes on the heels of the NCAA being ordered on 4/19/12 to produce all their internal emails about the Reggie Bush investigation. The NCAA vigorously opposed the production of the emails but lost. Not only that, after they failed to prevent the discovery of their emails, the NCAA tried to get a second bite at the apple by objecting to the courts' written ruling with an attempt to limit the production to only emails that specifically mention Tod McNair and were only between members of the infraction committee. So in other words, if there was, for instance, an email between a member of the staff -- not the committee -- and Lake asking Lake to doctor evidence, the NCAA would be able to withhold that evidence.
The court, in shooting down the NCAA yet again, seemed surprised by the NCAA's brazen request and stated in its ruling that "Restriction of the e-mails to only members of the Committee on Infractions is too limited as the contact by investigators and staff with the subject of Mr. McNair surely was not limited to the Committee."
Speaking as a lawyer, this is the kind of stunt you often see when the other side knows they are sitting on highly incriminating evidence and is trying to do all they can to prevent its disclosure short of criminal obstruction of justice.
No trial date set yet, probably about 6 months out based upon the state of the proceedings.
We do pay attention to resumes, which is why I basically said 'USC made their bed with the Bush stuff so they will have to deal with this reputation.' Enron was a dirty company, but does that mean every person who applied to work there or showed interest in getting a job there was also dirty?
The Isaac family in interviews on other sites have specifically mentioned reading posts on message boards, so just trying to point out here that lumping a family into the "improper benefits" bucket without any knowledge isn't very fair to them.
If he picks USC he might just like them better, doesn't automatically mean there was something shady going on.
Do you even know what our "major" infractions were?
Stretching = major? Nice try but no.
Extra practice time (10 minutes or so) is not the same as giving out rides with 20s.
I'm kinda surprised the postings on lsaac. To me the rb position is already filled with Isaac being a luxury in a way. He is very good. If he decided on USC over us I think it will be a mistake for him but I will still wish him the best. To me it is no different than Levenberry who picked FSU. As far as I know though Isaac is still not committed and we have a very good chance.
stretching clearly = the reggie bush case
Sadly it did lead to major violations though. While I still think Michigan runs a cleaner ship than just about anyone else, the record is tainted. As much as it infuriates me to hear and say it, our record is no longer spotless. While the circumstances and punishment were certainly less damning than others, the fact remains that it did happen. And it infuriates me.
This post was edited by UMPat 23 months ago
Ty and his family will make a decision with his best interests. I am not questioning that nor their integrity in handling the recruiting process. I would like to point out some facts about their program. Heisman's and National Championships celebrated in violation of a myriad of infractions. Then bringing a member of the regime caught up in the investigative mess back to lead your program. The same guy who left a traditional college football program, pilfering it's players and leaving in the midst of investigation. Then we have the Oakland Raiders situation, truly handled with class and maturity if your a four year old. I hope he reads and looks into all of these examples of character and integrity. I think that is important if you want to truly care about someone and not just their talent.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Amazinglyblue78 23 months ago
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports