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where is this coming from?
yeah skill position have to be a priority at this point in the class. We need to press Derrick Green at this point, USC visit hurts.
Green's friend playing for Ohio doesn't bode well for us at all. It's not uncommon for recruits to be averse to playing on the other side of a rivalry of a former teammate/friend.
true, but we are in the mix for him and he seems to have some interest...can't hurt. According to the USC board Ty Isaac father is openly supporting Michigan in his recruitment, it isn't over yet.
My guess is that he is responding to Isaac visiting USC again.
Just curious, but can you name any specific situations because I can't think of one.
I know Shane and Reschke are good friends and they openly talk about playing vs one another in college.
Reschke not having a Michigan offer kind of removes that from the equation. As far as examples, Jaylon Smith not being interested is a recent one. He mentioned not wanting to play, on the other side of the rivalry, against his brother. This seems to be the case with some recruits, while others may embrace playing against a good friend or family member in one of the biggest rivalries. I think Green is a prospect that it would have a negative effect on, just my opinion.
I say we push for Isaac until the very end and if he does indeed choose USC then we can start pressing for Green. It's not like we have a 0 percent chance of landing him.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
I think the coaches are recruiting all RB targets equally hard, there is no pecking order.
I have no doubt that Isaac would have a big career at Michigan. But how far back do you have to go to find a Michigan back of a similar skill set? Tyrone Wheatley?
Deveon Smith is easy: Mike Hart.
Meanwhile, I bet Ty Isaac can't help but think about Reggie Bush. Don't forget that he camped early in his high school career as a wide receiver and his elite hands for a running back.
People are pessimistic because all of those things have been heavily in Michigan's favor from the beginning, but instead of committing because of all those things, he will have made two trips to USC since his last trip to Ann Arbor.
I do agree that his personality at least wouldn't give USC an advantage. He doesn't want that spotlight.
I disagree. I would love to have him, but it's just kind of whatever considering he is not going another Big Ten school. Skill position players are a dime and a dozen. They are the easiest positions to evaluate and get production out of on the college level.
This post was edited by TheDudeAbides21 23 months ago
I didn't say anything about Deveon Smith. I'm happy he is committed to UM. But it's possible to like both Deveon Smith and Ty Isaac at the same time. And, FWIW, Ty Wheatley was one of the most successful RBs in UM history. If Ty Isaac turns out to be as good as Ty Wheatley, whoever gets him will be very lucky.
whats wrong with someone doing their due diligence? We were the leader yes, but who ever said we were a heavy leader? Isaac has been to UM around 4-5 times, how many more times do you really think he needs to visit UM to know the deal? Yet he has visited USC once and without his mother. Who knows the motivation for the 2nd visit. He could be 80/20 to UM and just wants to go to USC and see if it changes, or he could love USC and wants his mother to see. Point is no one knows and thats why its silly to be pessimistic because what are you really basing it on.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Luger 23 months ago
I didn't mean to imply you weren't happy with Smith or anything. I really meant Smith fit the typical Michigan running back mold very well. But when Ty Isaac sees himself on the football field, he's probably thinking more along the lines of OJ Simpson, Charles White, Marcus Allen, and Reggie Bush than Thomas Harmon, Anthony Thomas, Chris Perry, Jamie Morris, and Mike Hart.
Smith and Isaac will both be awesome. My favorite has always been Green.
One attraction is that USC is tailback U. Michigan is not.
There's nothing wrong with due diligence, and you are probably right about the pessimism being largely unwarranted.
Michigan has really made its pitch, its had a great QB and line locked up in the 2013 class for a long time, this coaching staff established really early contact, Isaac's parents have been to campus, and Los Angeles is not moving any closer to Joliet. Michigan's thrown all it has at Isaac, and it doesn't feel good knowing he's not completely sold.
Plus, extended heads-up battles haven't been too friendly to Michigan recently.
Ty Isaac and the Brady Hoke Michigan Football Reclamation Project could put a dent in USC's crown.
At least I hope Hoke can convince Isaac of that.
If I recall, prior to UM offering Isaac was a fan of two programs: ND and USC. We have made a considerable impression on Isaac and have many factors going for us such as those you have mentioned but fact is, its possible that a kid can like two schools equally, because for all the factors UM has going for them USC can list theirs as well so we'll just have to see what happens. the head-to-heads you are referring to are exaggerated. we lost one head-head this yr, and really only 3 last yr (diamond, reeves, and garnett). Kozan we got in late and almost pulled it off, same with grant. So thats 4 in two yrs, I can name teams that lost four in a one week span during the allstar games.
USC has had numerous running backs who are similar to Isaac (e.g. Allen, Simpson), but so has Michigan (e.g. Wheatley, Thomas). My point was more that USC has moved more toward a pass first offense in recent years and their RBs seem to be the smaller, quicker APB types, while UM is moving back to exactly the type of power running game that features a big, north-south RB like Isaac. Isaac would do well in either, but I think he fits better in the offense Hoke is installing at UM.
Here's what I posted 10 days ago:
"So then these are the tea leaves:
Today - M leads
If he visits usc in May - we're even
If he delays his decision - USC leads
If he takes an official to USC - we're toast"
Lets hope he makes a decision this Summer.
This post was edited by Uncle Newt 23 months ago
I think until the 2012 recruiting class's junior year we will struggle with extended head to head battles on recruits.
I hear you, but in reality how can you or UM effectively sell that when no one has seen this offense on the field yet. Add in the fact that we all know negative recruiting occurs and thus there lies our tough task in selling "he fits better in Hoke's offense"
This post was edited by Luger 23 months ago
I mean, this is kind of valid and all, but I remember when I was trying to make my decisions about college and law school and I don't think it's really as easy a decision as you're making it seem. There's lots of advantages and disadvantages running in every direction...the hard part isn't knowing what each place has to offer, it's deciding how you're going to value and prioritize those things. Not just for Ty Isaac but for every recruit out there, where they choose to go to college is one of the two or three biggest decisions they'll ever make in their lives. It's too easy as a fan, who already knows everything about UM and is severely biased in our favor, to look at it and say "well, duh, we have these sicknasty OL classes and Shane Morris and ITS MICHIGAN FERGODSSAKE, clearly he should come, why hasn't he bought the pitch yet, what's wrong?" I'm definitely not gonna get too upset over recruits that choose to take their time with the process, do their due diligence, and etc. It'd be nice if every guy who was a Michigan lean was like Shane Morris and bled maize and blue and knew instantly that UM was right for them, but that's not too realistic. Give it time, have faith in our coaching staff and our in-born advantages, and let the guys make their decisions at the pace that feels right to them.
Just my two cents.
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