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I agree with the picks. I like UF over UGA because they have a better resume with wins over A&M, LSU, USCe who beat UGA, and FSU. UF’s loss is also better than UGA’s. IMO UGA is the better team right now, but UF has a better resume.
I like Oregon over Stanford, because although Stanford is a completely different team now under Hogan, they still loss to a 7-5 team, and won some game’s that were closer than they should have been (WSU, SJSU, OSU, Zona). IMO Stanford is a better team right now, but Oregon has a better resume IMO.
I think with this you have to view a team’s body of work, and not just how good they are right now. If I had to pick the best team in the country right now regardless of resume I would pick A&M, but with two losses they don’t deserve to be in the playoff, over the other teams.
During his 32 years in college athletics, Jim Livengood has hired and fired coaches, endured an NCAA investigation and served as chairman of the NCAA men's basketball selection committee. On Nov. 26, Sports Illustrated gathered Livengood, now UNLV's athletic director, and 10 of his colleagues to simulate the process that will select participants for the first four-team college football playoff following the 2014 season. Using this season's results, the committee selected a mock playoff field for the 2012 postseason.
Don't like it.
I'm not interested in any process that continues the fraud of the BCS that penalizes teams for making it to their conference championship and losing while rewarding another team in the conference who didn't play in the championship game.
Stanford won the head to head over Oregon, to me that trumps everything else.
Looks like this would result in a Alabama/Oregon NCG, so I'm in favor.
Neither team is getting penalized because they played in their CCG though. UGA played a weak schedule and got blown out by USCe. UF beat A&M, FSU, LSU, and USCe who beat UGA.
Stanford lost to a 7-5 Washington team, and played a lot of close games against bad teams. Oregon annihilated everyone they beat on their schedule and their loss is a lot better than Stanford’s loss to Washington.
But they also lost to a 7-5 Washington team, and played a lot of close games against weak competition.
This can’t just be based on one game. You have to look at a team’s whole resume. Oregon’s resume is better than Stanford’s.
I do not like the 4 team playoff at all. To me it is just an extended version of the system in place now. I really believe I will not even watch the playoff system until it is moved to 8 teams with conference champs and very few at large bids. Any system that allows in a team that can not win their conference or their division is a slap in the face to all other schools and all CFB fans around the nation.
Two of the four teams in this mock playoff were not good enough to win their conference. One team is not in a conference. How can it be justified? Did the entire college football season not matter? What really justifies Oregon being there over Stanford? Stanford beat Oregon and Stanford had the only good D Oregon faced. I'd rather see even Wisconsin over Florida in the playoff. Wisconsin won their conference game and was crowned a conference champ. Florida did not even win their division in their conference. If not Wisconsin how about KState? Winning the B12 means less now than lossing the SEC east?
To me this system is as bad or worse than the current system. The NCAA needs to go to a true playoff and stop trying to force this on people. I'd rather have the old system than the BCS or a 4 team playoff.
This post was edited by pappy121 16 months ago
All conferences are not created equal though. This is not the NFL. Parity doesn’t exist in CFB. I agree with you that it needs to be expanded to 8, but winning your conference mean’s nothing to me. Wisconsin is an 8 win team, who almost lost to a FCS team. KState lost to Baylor, and the Big XII sucks this year. Stanford was the only legit D Oregon faced, but Stanford also lost to a 7-5 team.
Hopefully since based on their voting SOS seems to be heavily weighted in this, team’s will start scheduling big OOC game’s every year which is great for CFB. If they went to the conference champion’s model, big OOC games would be done, because they would no longer mean anything.
What would be a true playoff? To let every conference champion and ND into the playoff? You really think NIU deserves to be in a playoff. The system is not perfect but it’s 100 times better than what we had.
It's certainly not a cut and dried issue. You could reasonably make the case for either Georgia or Florida.
But come on man...how can you twist and turn through that loop of logic to justify Florida getting the nod and not even bring up the fact that Georgia beat Florida?
I agree with you also. I threw Wisconsin in just to make a point. In a 4 team playoff they should not be in but in an 8 team they should. On the other hand KState and Stanford IMO should get into a 4 team playoff before Oregon and Florida should. In an eight team playoff they would all get in.
Having an 8 team playoff over a 4 team playoff would resolve almost all issues. The 4 team playoff makes the conference championships almost meaningless. As far as SOS well in most cases I find them almost meaningless. When most teams now play cupcake OOC games it is very hard to get an accurate SOS outside of just fan opinion. With an 8 team playoff you could take conference champs as long as they are ranked in the top 20*. Then have at large births to fill the rest of the spots.
An 8 team playoff this year would have KState, NIU, Bama, Stanford, ND, FSU, Florida, and Oregon.
I really could not see anything bad about that. Sure it would exclude the B1G and the Big East for not having a champion in the top 20. Then again it is almost impossible to claim a team from either conference deserves to be in. With this set up for an 8 team playoff their are 5 deserving conference champions and 3 at large births. This year would include NIU, most years the MAC or the lesser conferences would not get in increasing the number of at large births. Almost every year there would be 4-6 conference champs and 2-4 at large births which should almost always satisfy every fan base.
This is pretty wildly untrue. There's no true elite team in the Big XII this year, but it's easily the deepest conference. This is why, for instance, their #7 team is a 12-point favorite over our #7 team
edit: but yeah, agree with your general point.
This post was edited by inuyesta 16 months ago
Of course you could. I didn’t it bring up because I didn’t feel I needed to. There was a reason why I chose to bring up those two teams. UF gets the nod for me because although UGA beat UF, UF’s resume is a lot better. Besides’ the SECCG and UF, UGA played no one. IMO UGA is a better team, but I have to give the nod to UF because their complete resume is better.
An 8 team playoff should just include the 8 best teams. Team’s like TAMU shouldn’t get punished because they play in a tougher conference. I could really care less where these team’s come from. If the SEC has the 8 best teams in the country then so be it. CFB is cyclical the SEC wont dominate forever. People forget that when Miami joined the ACC, a lot of people thought that conference would be what the SEC is now.
If we go to a conference champion’s model OOC game’s will a lot worse. Teams will load up on cupcakes, because OOC game’s will become meaningless if all you have to do is win your conference. IMO with this new model more team’s (especially one’s outside the SEC) will start scheduling tougher OOC game’s to have better SOS’s.
Explain to me how a playoff make’s CCG’s meaningless? If UGA win’s Saturday their in. Before CCG’s they wouldn’t have even had a chance.
Suck’s was too harsh of a word, they’re not B1G, ACC, or Big East bad but this is not a good year for the Big XII. It’s has depth, but not a lot of quality depth. OU is overrated and is going to get blown out IMO. KSU as well. Texas is a joke right now. Team’s like OSU, Baylor, and WVU have no D. TCU could have been really good this year but then they lost Pachall.
I'd have to disagree with TAMU and how they would get punished. If they were that good they could win their conference. As it is their conference only had three games I would not consider cupcakes in their OOC. I could also argue Michigan deserves a shot because 3 of our 4 losses came against the top three in the AP Poll if that was the case.
Again not all conferences are equal. TAMU is 10-2, and played in a tougher conference. Michigan is 8-4, and got blown out by Bama who TAMU beat. Winning your conference mean’s nothing. You have to look at a team’s complete resume.
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