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Saw the video earlier...it is a mark of shame on the Duke family, no question.

Duke bball fans are the equivalent of Ohio football fans.

That's disgusting.

This follows a recent "Asian themed" frat party at Duke which caused quite a stir amongst the Asian community on campus.

Too far.

The Cameron Crazies have come right up to the line before, but this is going over it.

Does not make it right. Kids today have lost values. Starts with the parents.

Didn't say it was right. I just don't think it's that wrong. There are different races, sexes, nationalities, and there are glaring differences among them. To throw a party accentuating a difference in culture isn't necessarily the nicest thing to do, but people need to get over it. It's not entirely derogatory, people just like to immediately attach every negative connotation possible when stories like this come out. It's not like they pulled an ESPN and hung up a 'chink' sign for the world to read, they had a party and the media blew it up. Big surprise.

And the lost values comment is a bit ridiculous. It doesn't start with the parents. The world has changed in the past 40 years, reflecting a change in the expectations/interactions in everyday life. The mass media changed everything, providing everybody access to do whatever they choose and see whatever they want. That's where the values have gone off course from whatever they used to be. As a whole, people seem to be getting less sensitive about cultural differences. As a result, those who are still short sighted and can't get in touch with reality freak out over what should be no-story events.

This all, of course, is just my opinion.

I wouldn't claim those two points you made to be facts. They are your opinions, which differ from mine, which is why I made sure to note that was just my opinion.

The world doesn't become better or worse unless it experiences a war, a pandemic, or a renaissance. The way kids are raised and the way people interact does not make anything worse, just different. Your opinion is that it's worse. Other's opinions are that it's better. My opinion is simply that everything perpetually changes and we need to go with the flow. There's no reason to attach a label on any of it.

Edit: And I don't see what you were doing with the bridge question, not sure how it relates to anything I said. But no, I'm not a follower if that's what you're implying. Not even close.

I'm a leader

It doesn't make zero sense, I just don't think every change has to be labeled good or bad. And no I do not have kids. But when I do I'm not going to raise them in an Amish household with no TV's and video games only after they do their homework and pray by the fire. Liberal media is not an excuse and it's entirely independent of parenting, but it's unavoidable nowadays. My main point is that, to generalize and say kids are losing their values because of parenting is just not the full truth, and certainly not a fact. It's an aggregate of a number of things, there is not one sole factor changing people's values, nor is there a means to measure any of it. But in my opinion, the mass media is the primary influence because of how dependent our lives have become on it.

Now let's stop this bickering.

This is from Keeley's post-game notes:

Speaking of the crowd in Cameron, there seems to be some confusion about a particular Cameron Crazies cheer—or should I say, an imaginary cheer—directed at Tyler Lewis. In the second half, when Lewis was at the free throw line, the students chanted, "past your bedtime."

I'd suspect that's because Lewis, a freshman, is a shorter guy, listed at 5-11. And hey, when you're already young and standing next to people about a foot taller than you, you can look childlike.

I actually sent out a Tweet when this happened. Check the time stamp.

For reasons unknown, though, some Internet folks have decided that the Crazies were really saying, "How's your Grandma?" in reference to Lewis' grandmother that died last week. That's just false.

There was no such chant.

But the Internet never let a fact get in the way of a story, and people have put out a Youtube video that allegedly supports their claim. It doesn't because that cheer never happened. I actually asked five other sportswriters if they heard the Grandma cheer. None of them did.

Then how did the dad hear it, multiple players hear it, others in the crowd heard it?

Doesn't it make sense to you that Duke people would come out and deny it to protect the cookie cutter image? This isn't the first time this has happened at Duke either.

Yeahh I'm not buying that they were saying "it's past your bedtime"